NJS wrote:
[Beckham] will join the other modern British knights such as Sir Fat Poof Elton John and Sir Mick Botox-Shagger. The existence of 'Posh, Lady Beckham', with her sour face and six inch platforms... Talk about a nation losing its grip...
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
NJS wrote:
[Beckham] will join the other modern British knights such as Sir Fat Poof Elton John and Sir Mick Botox-Shagger. The existence of 'Posh, Lady Beckham', with her sour face and six inch platforms... Talk about a nation losing its grip...
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.
Yes, yes! I think that if he were the great player that he's cracked up to be, he'd have brought home the bacon for England even just once. His voice is higher than his wife's and peppered with stuttering and stammering and glottal stops and 'know what I mean' 'er um' - just like those gormless princes: in fact Beckham seems to be their role model, as they can barely string a sentence together. The trouble is that people like this should stick to their jobs and not obtrude their dubious tastes and ideas on the world, as though being a footballer gives a licence to teach.
NJS wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
NJS wrote:
[Beckham] will join the other modern British knights such as Sir Fat Poof Elton John and Sir Mick Botox-Shagger. The existence of 'Posh, Lady Beckham', with her sour face and six inch platforms... Talk about a nation losing its grip...
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.
Yes, yes! I think that if he were the great player that he's cracked up to be, he'd have brought home the bacon for England even just once. His voice is higher than his wife's and peppered with stuttering and stammering and glottal stops and 'know what I mean' 'er um' - just like those gormless princes: in fact Beckham seems to be their role model, as they can barely string a sentence together. The trouble is that people like this should stick to their jobs and not obtrude their dubious tastes and ideas on the world, as though being a footballer gives a licence to teach.
I don't care one way or another about Beckham, but it strikes me as unfair to any single player to expect him to raise the level of English football to where they could actually win an international tournament.
NJS wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
NJS wrote:
[Beckham] will join the other modern British knights such as Sir Fat Poof Elton John and Sir Mick Botox-Shagger. The existence of 'Posh, Lady Beckham', with her sour face and six inch platforms... Talk about a nation losing its grip...
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.
Yes, yes! I think that if he were the great player that he's cracked up to be, he'd have brought home the bacon for England even just once. His voice is higher than his wife's and peppered with stuttering and stammering and glottal stops and 'know what I mean' 'er um' - just like those gormless princes: in fact Beckham seems to be their role model, as they can barely string a sentence together. The trouble is that people like this should stick to their jobs and not obtrude their dubious tastes and ideas on the world, as though being a footballer gives a licence to teach.
You just described 70% of Londoners...."yo know wo' I mean.
eg wrote:
NJS wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.Yes, yes! I think that if he were the great player that he's cracked up to be, he'd have brought home the bacon for England even just once. His voice is higher than his wife's and peppered with stuttering and stammering and glottal stops and 'know what I mean' 'er um' - just like those gormless princes: in fact Beckham seems to be their role model, as they can barely string a sentence together. The trouble is that people like this should stick to their jobs and not obtrude their dubious tastes and ideas on the world, as though being a footballer gives a licence to teach.
I don't care one way or another about Beckham, but it strikes me as unfair to any single player to expect him to raise the level of English football to where they could actually win an international tournament.
Beckham was the captain and part of his duty was to raise the team's morale and level of play to a winning level! He failed. Miserably. Time and again. Now he is a performing flea in the USA.
Meister - I know that 70% of Londoners (maybe more) speak like bargees and barrow boys. Listen to old popular programmes such as 'Juke Box Jury' (Britain) or 'What's My Line' (USA) and notice how much better everyone on these programmes then spoke in comparison with most people on the TV today (for example: Jonathan Woss and that utterly vulgar and nasty little tyke, Ricky Fathead Gervaise). The cause, I believe is because, to rework a JFK quote, everyone aims too low and hits the mark, out of fear of aiming too high and missing it. That, in a nutshell, is why we have the Age of the Slob.
I find the glottal stop very irritating when used outside of its proper home in the East End. At the same time the "accentless" Estuary middle class English of the two parents om Modern Family (particularly the wife) is incredibly annoying with that nasal thing trying to be posh. But then listen to he Princes and even they have succumbed to the speech. I suspect you will never hear the upper classes/educated classes ever speak again like those you hear on Antiques Road Show with the mellifluous if somewhat fruity tones.
The worst aspect of the new Estuary speak is the pronunciation of the "oo" sound that has developed in the last 20 years eg "burk" instead of "book". Really annoying when you watch a documentary on Captain Cook and the well educated professor is talking about what "Curk" did in the Pacific.
Despite the flat vowels the speech in Australia has moved away generally from the broad accent (Ocker) towards a more pleasant speech without corrupted dipthongs etc.
Last edited by meister (2012-01-23 14:42:30)
eg wrote:
NJS wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
Do I detect perhaps as smidgin of snobbery, here? If so, I'm with you. I haven't watched Beckham play often enough to say whether he's a great player or not (although those who do know the game say he is) but I get irritated for one thing by his inability to speak properly. Maybe he should consider elocution lessons.Yes, yes! I think that if he were the great player that he's cracked up to be, he'd have brought home the bacon for England even just once. His voice is higher than his wife's and peppered with stuttering and stammering and glottal stops and 'know what I mean' 'er um' - just like those gormless princes: in fact Beckham seems to be their role model, as they can barely string a sentence together. The trouble is that people like this should stick to their jobs and not obtrude their dubious tastes and ideas on the world, as though being a footballer gives a licence to teach.
I don't care one way or another about Beckham, but it strikes me as unfair to any single player to expect him to raise the level of English football to where they could actually win an international tournament.
Blaming Beckham for England's failure to win a World Cup would be the same as blaming Pugeot for the failure of the French to hold off the Hun onslaught in 1940. My kingdom for a goal keeper! Anyway, too much controversy over too little grist. If you were comparing Becks to Sir. Boby we would have a discussion but . . . .
corrupted dipthongs indeed
It's just a little grist corrupting the dipthongs so that they make a nasty grinding noise all over LLareggub.