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#1 2012-01-24 02:22:45
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The Faux Homosexual Modernist
I've read a number of references over the years, about the kind of chap who might have shopped at 'Vince', but more likely got into debt with his tailor. A Fred Perry man he almost certainly was not. George Melly discusses him. Angie Bowie pokes gentle fun at him. Some were gay, others were trade: a way of 'stepping up the tailoring'. Maybe it was a North London/Soho phenomenon; who knows? Did they really wear suits and eye-liner?
#2 2012-01-24 02:51:03
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Did you have anyone in mind here?
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#3 2012-01-24 03:00:10
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Can't recall any names, but when Bowie was still Jones he - allegedly - mixed in these circles: Soho/Marshall Street.
#4 2012-01-24 03:13:07
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Some great photos here of the Pretty Things et al.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2011/mar/09/david-bowie-in-pictures#/?picture=372456805&index=0
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#5 2012-01-24 03:23:01
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Like with Miles, he is/was a complete fashionista. Cheers for the link though Woofy.
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#6 2012-01-24 04:03:42
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
From what I've read: the original mod(ernists) where inspired by gays because the gays were into flamboyant clothing. Much like the inspiration from Americans, Europeans and Jamaicans: these people were into looking good so they inspired. At the same time, the out gays were not part of the modernist scene - presumably being out was far too radical a move in the early 60s UK for these people to be able to interact comfortably in a hetero environment, plus the gays had their own world, just as the mods did.
At the same time, I'm sure many gays who were unwilling/unable to come out must have felt attracted to the mod scene.
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some sort of banal legitimacy
#7 2012-01-24 04:09:00
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
http://jackthatcatwasclean.blogspot.com/2008/02/gay-london-at-le-duce.html
some sort of banal legitimacy
#8 2012-01-24 04:09:32
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
I reckon they were all leathered up and well hidden in the Rocker gangs. Quick fumble under the Pier and then back up to Marine Parade to get their hands all over some young Mods.
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#9 2012-01-24 04:15:23
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
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#10 2012-01-24 06:49:40
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#11 2012-01-24 06:57:31
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
There are only two types of men that are really into their clothes, well dressed gay men, and straight men with a kind of chronic Aspergers. Clothes Geeks if you will. IMO
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#12 2012-01-24 08:22:08
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Anybody interested in reading about the crossover between the dress of the soho gay scene and the mods might be interested in this book...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Defining-Dress-Meaning-Identity-Material/dp/0719053293
Make a change from Tranny Monthy for you Andy.
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#14 2012-01-24 11:58:41
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'.
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#15 2012-01-24 12:19:54
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdo7WXTVoM&ob=av2e
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#16 2012-01-24 12:26:28
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
"McQueen's message was signaled through subtraction... in a tweed or herringbone jacket and a ribbed swearer he had an electric austerity".
#18 2012-01-24 12:38:36
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Steve, queen fan?
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#19 2012-01-24 12:54:43
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"McQueen's message was signaled through subtraction... in a tweed or herringbone jacket and a ribbed swearer he had an electric austerity".
#20 2012-01-24 16:29:35
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Here's one for Andy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AXAOT_swIE&feature=related
Mike Wallace - The Homosexuals - 1967
What make me laugh is that attitudes like this I've been hearing again. We are devolving.
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#21 2012-01-24 22:04:38
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Anyway, in the book I mentioned it says that the modernists adopted a lot of the gay dress for themselfs. Though colour mainly. Dress for some gay men, though not all, was used as a code. E.g a yellow jumper was thought to be a very "out" garment as were red socks. Bill Howard ( a mod from the Soho era) says in his fiction book Sawdust Ceasares that many people thought that mods were gay men. I've read that gay men used to go to mod clubs on the pull. Its all part of that melting pot that gave modernists there look. Magpies indeed. The brith of modern fashion.
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#22 2012-01-25 02:44:44
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#24 2012-01-25 03:06:55
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Re: The Faux Homosexual Modernist
Was it George Melly who said "When you buy a tie in Vince's they take your inside leg measurement"......
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