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#26 2012-02-13 17:29:38

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I would say no. For the same reason that I wouldn't consider Desert Boots sneakers or other soft soled shoes or boots that may be designed for active use, but not necessarily sport. It's all a sliding scale though isn't it?


I do like them though.


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#27 2012-02-13 17:36:48

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Natural Sole Brother wrote:

Liam Mac wrote:

Are those from the 90's NSB? US made?

I don't know too much about the chukkas, I'm not really that fond of them... but I know people who absolutely love them for skateboarding and parkour.

They did a limited edition crepe soled version of these a while back I think... and one with a hessian weave sole too.

Late 80s and USA made. I'm not really a chukka fan either. These were young man's shoes, so had to go.

Vintage  Skidgrips are still pretty easy to pick up in unworn nick and are certainly better than modern Vans (a travesty in comparison to the glory years of that brand).

Bit the bullet and bought the Japanese Sperry Topsider Authentic Oxfords. So much closer to the Sperry of old than the US-available 75th Anniversary Striper.

My US made Vans are good but not great... but they are from a early to mid 90's run that were still US made but perhaps not as good as early US made shoes. I find modern Van's heels aren't as good and the grip is poor in comparison. Also I think the canvas isn't as soft or as thick.

I'll do Sperry in pictures tomorrow as well as Converse All Stars, Keds and some other also ran brands.


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#28 2012-02-13 17:38:21

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I'm not touching the No spam!/80's Prep connection with a barge pole.

I'm also trying to get some photos together of real vintage adidas... but that's not too easy as I don't know much about the brand at all.


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#29 2012-02-13 19:02:44

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/DunlopVolley.jpg

When he was doing building/ carpentering* work my father always wore khaki carpenters overalls and Dunlop Volleys.

Recently they have been popular with the hipsters.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=dunlo … iQfZi432CQ

* This popular use has been acknowledged and now they make a steel toed "safety" version.

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#30 2012-02-14 09:11:05

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I've got a mate who's just moved to Sydney... well about 6 months ago now and these are standard issue to all the worky's in his place. Electricians by the way.

I thought when I saw photos, that health and safety must be pretty lacking. I had no idea they had steel toe caps.


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#31 2012-02-15 03:03:52

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

http://www.bexley.com/Bexley/CMS/Images/Produits/brooklyn/brooklyn_chataigne.jpg


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#32 2012-02-17 09:55:57

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

l have never ever been able to understand the sneaker look. l've tried to understand why people like them but it is completely beyond me. l respect that people here like the style, but l have never been able to get over how awful they all look. l often wonder why people wear sneakers outside of sport and why grown men would wear such footwear. Sneakers make me think of images of pimple faced teenagers, men verging on the feminine side and frumpy dudes. l have hardly worn sneakers in my entire life, l still have my Reebox from about 1986 (about $250 in those days).


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#33 2012-02-17 10:07:15

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I guess it's all just a matter of taste Shooey. You wouldn't wear a pair of sneakers and I wouldn't wear a pair of toad skin oxfords. Horses for courses.


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#34 2012-02-17 10:23:50

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

l really appreciate how all you guys are so into Ivy, it warms my heart to see such enthusiasm in clothes in this day and age. No snobbery and boasting about expensive brands and showmanship like at some of the other places, just a bunch a real people talking about their lifestyle and clothes with passion, l like that.


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#35 2012-02-20 13:26:39

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Natural Sole Brother wrote:

Bit the bullet and bought the Japanese Sperry Topsider Authentic Oxfords. So much closer to the Sperry of old than the US-available 75th Anniversary Striper.

I've found these online, they look nice.  Was the shipping expensive?  Did customs get there thieving hands on them?  How do their sizes compare to UK sizes?  (It's a long way to send back.)

I gave up sneakers when I got the ivy bug, but they are tempting me.


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#36 2012-02-20 13:43:12

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I see no reason that the two can't live side by side in Ivy harmony.

Like Andy said, so much of Ivy is about the connection with youth, vigour and athleticism that it would be a mistake to rule out sneakers, sweatshirts, athletic socks and other active wear. It's all part of it and should be embraced and explored without the feeling that you're doing something wrong or that you're missing the point.


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#37 2012-02-20 14:03:00

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Aye.


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#38 2012-02-20 14:19:26

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Another aside before I move on to Sperry, Converse and the rest.

BILL COSBY'S ADIDAS.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NyGhK2VZQ80/Tv39gVTJ_1I/AAAAAAAAAXY/i9oELRIWrxY/s1600/original.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tppdoeaTm6Q/Tv39kAhe6mI/AAAAAAAAAXg/wD26XYjZcmA/s1600/bill_cosby_nku_26.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ne2TUo9lUSM/Tv39lq9iwBI/AAAAAAAAAXo/q7FmUVzX7I4/s1600/bill_cosby_nku_28.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jbjUIXKBQns/Tv39oQwIr3I/AAAAAAAAAXw/Oz-srHrejxc/s1600/orig.jpg

In I spy Bill wears adidas. I have no idea what the model is and it would seem neither does the internet. The best guesses would be that he is wearing white Sambas. This doesn't tally with what I can see though.

It's very difficult to find vintage adidas from the 60's. Even photos from the era are hard to find. Not to mention most of these designs have been revamped and tweeked over the years so Cosby's shoes are always going to look slightly different to the ones you see elsewhere today.

My best bet is that these could be a track and field shoe slightly different to what was on general sale at the time... but they could be one of the pairs listed below.

'Olympiade'
http://only-sneakers.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/adidas-olympiade-__.JPG
http://only-sneakers.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/adidas-olympiade_.jpg
The toe doesn't look right.

'Rekord'
http://selvagejean.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/a4436_img0160u.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BbNdW4eQBBo/TICWjqk6L5I/AAAAAAAAAqs/IzeoKznCs2c/s1600/DSC02695.JPG
Again, that toe makes me think these aren't right.

'Rom'
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OtehtJL9IOM/S6S63JlcYoI/AAAAAAAABGU/s2sRQmVZIT0/s320/DSC02249.JPG
In all honesty they have little in common with Cosby's but worth a punt.

The only shoe that looks right is the 'Campus'.
http://classickicks.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/adi-wht-campus-1.jpg?w=450&h=300

I've chosen these models because I think they were around at the time...but I'm not even 100% sure about that. What I'd like is if one of you clever chaps could tell from the photos what he is wearing.


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#39 2012-02-20 14:25:55

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Liam Mac wrote:

The only shoe that looks right is the 'Campus'.

It's certainly got an ivy name.


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#40 2012-02-20 14:30:09

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I should probably clarify that I meant the Campus' toe looked right... the rest of the shoe is a bit off.

The name sits well. Also I like the shoe. It's less clunky than the Stan Smith or Superstar. I used to wear these when I was about 14, I think. After that I wore Sambas and Vans and nothing else sneaker wise until I found Ivy and bought some Keds.


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#41 2012-02-20 14:39:06

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I really like these Keds, they're the ones I posted in the other thread, I can't find them with out the green trim though, which is a bit annoying.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41diC61mcwL.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bgLXmXzpL.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XwEbRvc1L.jpg

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#42 2012-02-20 14:42:52

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/500/208280002.jpg


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#43 2012-02-20 15:06:54

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

They used to sell the plain version and also a horrible green and orange version in Foot Locker. The may still.

Personally I like the green detailing.

Last edited by Liam Mac (2012-02-20 15:07:09)


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#44 2012-02-20 15:12:48

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

For a 12 canvas shoe they put up with a lot of shit, I go jogging through woods and fields, cover them in mud, and still no holes or fraying, and because of the really good comfort sole in them, they never feel harsh on the ground like other plimsols can.


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#45 2012-02-20 15:31:40

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I could never run in something like that. I'm too soft. I seem to have little girls ankles and high arches. I wear Sambas with insoles for the most part but used to wear Cortez. They really ruined my feet. Something about that fit, I think the toe was too spacious, and my feet moved around too much. Never stopped getting blisters from them either. Sambas, I swear by.


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#46 2012-02-20 16:00:05

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Liam Mac wrote:

I see no reason that the two can't live side by side in Ivy harmony.

Like Andy said, so much of Ivy is about the connection with youth, vigour and athleticism that it would be a mistake to rule out sneakers, sweatshirts, athletic socks and other active wear. It's all part of it and should be embraced and explored without the feeling that you're doing something wrong or that you're missing the point.

Lovely sentiments in a lovely thread. It's obviously on my mind of late, but it's like when people think of slim-fit as a modern idea. The other thing people say is that slim-fit then and now meant different things. Not true. It's just there was a fairly wide interpretation of the term both then and now. Some trousers in the 60s were seriously slim (I'm not talking about just the late 60s). They were for the young and the slim. People might personally prefer a more usual cut (I like slim and "average" cuts), but that's by the by. Much of ivy was heavily marketed for the young. The slim old permanent press trousers were marketed as campus classics, some aggressively marketed as "young people only".

PS. Steve McQueen wore Adidas in Le Mans. They look pretty cool actually, but I wouldn't wear them: bit built-up and modern for my taste! Well, except when I'm running and whatnot I wear much uglier things. I have some pics of him in the Adidas to put here. I'll add it to my huge things-to-do list.

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#47 2012-02-20 16:02:03

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

Liam Mac wrote:

I should probably clarify that I meant the Campus' toe looked right... the rest of the shoe is a bit off.

The name sits well. Also I like the shoe. It's less clunky than the Stan Smith or Superstar. I used to wear these when I was about 14, I think. After that I wore Sambas and Vans and nothing else sneaker wise until I found Ivy and bought some Keds.

The "Campus" model looks like the ones Cosby is wearing but  the Addidas site says The "Campus" came out in the early 70's. Nice work again Liam I'm going to look into getting a pair of these. I hope they come in canvas or suede but all I see so far is leather.


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#48 2012-02-20 16:20:45

Liam Mac
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Campus come in all shapes and varietys these days George. Canvas I'm not sure about but absolutely in suede.

Early 70's seems about right. Best bet is that Cosby wore a shoe that sold for a few years then as fashion dictated they went and another model, such as the Campus, came in and the previous style was forgotten about. The Campus became super iconic in the 70's and 80's, being taken up by the young Hip Hop and B-Boy kids. That's how they cemented there longevity... Cosby's shoes perhaps slipped under the radar.

Adidas reissues about a bazillion styles a year... but it always seems to be the same models. It would be nice if they dug back and found the lesser known models and offered them up.

Were SM's shoes in Le Mans driving boots Paul? They often look pretty nasty with not a lot of balance in heel, toe and ankle. Plus they often have straps as well as laces. A case of functionality not adding that functional aesthetic.


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#49 2012-02-20 16:24:34

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Re: A Sneaker Thread

I think he wore addidas in "The Hunter" also.


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#50 2012-02-20 16:31:17

Liam Mac
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Re: A Sneaker Thread

The good thing about adidas he, as opposed to Flyers, Chucks, Vans and Keds, is you never get that side wall blow-out in them after lots of wear. The Campus and Samba have a solid one piece sole and side unit and this makes them better for sports, I think.

As anyone who has had the rubber sides coming away from the sole on any of the previously mentioned US designed shoes can tell you, the shoes become very dangerous to wear for sports after this point. You are likely to go over on your ankle at any moment. It's the main reason that modern Chuck Taylors and Van's are so poorly regarded.


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