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#26 2012-02-21 08:16:10

Oo Bop Sh'bam
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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Heikki? wink

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#27 2012-02-21 08:24:34

Harpo
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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Randy lower-class trifler

 

#28 2012-02-21 08:27:50

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Randy lower-class trifler

 

#29 2012-02-21 12:37:40

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And a glory of vinyl thread.

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#30 2012-02-21 13:05:43

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHjGti2zH4

Here's that interview I mentioned. What a guy.

 

#31 2012-02-21 13:23:12

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Well, he was certainly possessed by genius for a time.

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#32 2012-02-21 13:27:34

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Best line is he says he wasn't a mistake, he studied and learned to get as good as he was.

''If I can't share my faith in Christ here, I'd just as soon not have to put up with people advocating drug use.''

 

#33 2012-02-21 13:37:04

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He innovated new styles in jazz on several occasions, he was no mistake. Although several of his albums in the 80s most definitely were IMO.

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#34 2012-02-21 13:40:25

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I like the idea of him continually learning, ok it can take you off down some odd paths, but at least he did, he was like a sponge soaking up everything, then he'd put his own stamp on it

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#35 2012-02-21 13:51:22

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And then you have someone like Chet Baker who decided to stay and operate very lyrically, but completely in the same mode of the cool for the whole of his career.

Also Art Blakey, who stayed true to hard-bop until the end of his career.

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#36 2012-02-21 14:01:55

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Well, there is an argument for and against, I think Chet was limited by is natural talent, and poor theory, Miles also had talent but a need to learn and change. I can't say what's right or wrong. I can however say snakeskin trousers are wrong.

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#37 2012-02-21 14:06:05

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I think Cal Tjader summed it up rather well when he said he wasn't an innovator, rather a participator. Some must constantly innovate or be bored and others are just around to enjoy the party.

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#38 2015-11-19 07:02:59

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

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#39 2015-11-19 07:17:00

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Email me a draft if you like..

oobopshbam81@gmail.com

 

#40 2015-11-19 07:21:55

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Wow, I remember that thread! You've been doing some digging Joey - great pic, by the way. Wasn't Eric Dolphy also in his sextet? Does that mean you've played with someone who played with Eric Dolphy? Can I touch you?

If you're interested in contemporary modal exploration, you could do worse than check out the Hook Vent's latest waxing "Uptight Sacksuit" in which an essentially V-IV-V-I chorus section in the key of C, resolves in an E9 chord. Nice!

Randy lower-class trifler

 

#41 2015-11-19 08:11:59

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#42 2015-11-19 08:12:20

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Great rise on Russell up there, though.

"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#43 2015-11-19 08:37:20

Harpo
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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

He was a drummer WM. A drummer who knew about music theory. Imagine that.

Randy lower-class trifler

 

#44 2015-11-19 08:40:28

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^ just showed that to the drummer sitting next to me and it made Fanta come out of his nose. big_smile

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#45 2015-11-19 08:43:46

Harpo
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He, he! We aim to please!

Randy lower-class trifler

 

#46 2015-11-19 08:56:38

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Well played H

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#47 2015-11-19 12:52:20

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Having a read now!

I can see the link between the stability of the perfect fifths allowing to hold the chromatics around it. A lot like the chromatic movement of Bach.. as explained in the Bernstein lectures at Harvard. Also very similar to the Sa and Pa in classical indian and the shruti..will try read it all later. I think I paint broader strokes than you so be interesting to get into the specifics.

 

#48 2015-11-19 18:40:03

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

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#49 2015-11-19 18:40:26

Joey
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#50 2015-11-19 23:09:50

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Re: The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization - Harpo? Anyone?

Joey, check it out, "A New Lydian Theory for Frank Zappa's Modal Music", with George Russell all up in the piece

http://mts.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/1/146.abstract

Last edited by stanshall (2015-11-19 23:10:16)

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