Very old thread I know... Bu t yesterday I stumbled across them:

http://www.hm.com/gb/product/04758?article=04758-A

I know, H&M - and I don't know where thy would be made... but if they are made in Turkey, they could probably come out of the same fabrication as some Levi's lines. That said I have two very similar pair of jeans at home, one standard Levi's 511 (not too overwhelming) and one slim fitting H&M (both made in Turkey) - the H&M being the much better jeans, higher rise, better denim...

After weeks of thoughtful deliberation with Worried Man, I took the plunge on these Chinese R424's, size 33:

http://tuckshopsundrysupplies.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50


I plan to go to work on the back pockets with a seam ripper as soon as they arrive!

Do any of the resident denim nerds have any experience with these?

I'm currently wearing cheapo Wranglers (936) sized 34x30... comfortable, if a touch big in the waist, which measures approx. 17 3/8".

I should be a 32 but I'm more like a 33 these days.

The above measure 34" in the waist with a solid 14" front/back rise.

The website indicates that they shouldn't shrink more than an inch at most, but will stretch back. Hopefully this doesn't affect the rise.

These will be my first ever "shrink-to-fit" pair of jeans. I've done my best to avoid sinking into this complicated and perplexing world of trendy overpriced import hipster denim until now, so I really hope they turn out OK.

The hem width looks identical to my cheapo Wranglers, which are 14.75oz (slightly heavier) but everything else about the fit of the Red Clouds looks better to me. I'm basically paying for a decent looking wash and an extra inch or more in rise, as I don't wear my jeans often or hard enough to fade out the smurfy blue dye.

Last edited by Oliver (2016-02-04 13:55:58)

And you know, I was feeling the same way about the pocket stitching, but now looking at it again, it's really not that bad.  I'd probably still rip it out, but it could really be worse.  It looks pretty traditional, or like something that would have actually been stitched on some early-mid twentieth century denim.

Man, I'm kind of worried... I wrote to Red Cloud and they claim the rise is only 11.75" in which case, I never would've purchased them. I wrote to Tuckshop asking for confirmation. I really hope I don't have to deal with a return to Singaore now! Maybe this is a sign that I should've stuck with my $30 Wranglers. I can't seem to catch a break when it comes to the cut of jeans that we've discussed.

Oli if you are going down the Japanese made route give Kojima Genes a look,
the RNB-102W 15OZ is probably closest to what you are looking for ( no back pocket embroidery and probably half the price of the equivalent IronHeart ).

'Son of a Stag' don't have measurements on the site ( but a quick email should get you all the details)
https://www.sonofastag.com/collections/kojima-genes/products/kojima-genes-rnb-102w-15oz-jeans?variant=10458190727

Last edited by Acton_Baby (2016-02-05 00:45:44)

Last edited by Leer R. (2016-02-05 01:00:19)

Thanks Acton, those do look good! Any idea where I can find actual specs?

re. Levi's, I've honestly not had many good experiences with the brand in a very long time. My friend works at the Levi's store though, so I'll ask him to pull down a pair of the 551z's and see what the fuss is all about. I'm not really sold on the numbers though: 12" rise on sz. 33 is acceptable but not all that enticing to me. Can't really say why, but I'm just kind of down on Levi's. There were these two long-haired bearded cats that used to work/design for Levi's and broke off on their own a few years ago to start a local denim company called Jack/Knife, which apparently sunk recently. Not that it matters to me, but they didn't have such good things to say about their current product. I'm just going by experience, but I've not been content with anything that I've tried at Levi's in the past few years.

Last edited by Oliver (2016-02-05 01:47:25)

Acton how's your promo code action?
Got anything for me that I can use at the End. sale?



( seems wrong not to share the Sperry Topsider CVO for only £24: http://www.endclothing.com/gb/brands/sperry/sperry-topsider-cloud-cvo-13519899.html )