^ if you want shrink-to-fit Levi's with decent quality selvedge denim (Cone Mills) but don't mind an iffy patch on the waistband (easily removed) these are good value....

http://www.levi.com/US/en_US/mens-jeans/p/005011995

Been asking my denim guru about the Red Cloud and their fits,
they used to trade as Red Banner - an early entrant in the repro denim market but developed a less than great reputation due to poor quality hardware and average quality denim , they re-launched with a new name and upped their game with the finish of the garments.

Here's his some info on the fits ( he say's TUCKSHOP measurements are actually pretty accurate)....

400 - late 40s pre ww2 style ( 1944 LVC 501 best comparison) lowish front rise but comparatively high back rise so sit high into your waist.
423/424 - 50's style ( 1954 LVC 501 for hearest comparison) decent front rise but square top block meaning a mid-rise 'anti ' fit, different style numbers are slightly different leg shape/hem width.
425 - 50's style ( 1955 LVC 501 for nearest comparison) higher front and back rise than 424 but a square top block again so has that hanging off your waist 'anti' fit.
436 - late 40s post ww2 style ( 1947 LVC 501 best comparison) lower front rise but comparatively high back rise so sit high into your waist.

Just to chip in another option and they are made local to you Oli,
Tellason are doing the Ankara fit again, a wee bit pricey ($200ish) but 15oz sanforized (so little, approx -2%, shinkage)Cone Mills denim and measurements...

34W
Front Rise 13.75"
Back Rise 18.25"
Thigh 26"
Hem    18"

These sold out almost instantly last time he did a batch
and Unionmade may be the only place left stateside with stock of the latest edition.

Those look good, too. But all of the posted jeans have one 'best' IMO - those 'R400'. Cool stuff!

And the Levi's as no nonsense jeans... Those Tellason would be too high for me. But great for Oli and... WM

^ chuck the pre-shrink sizes are...
the 30w have a 8" hem and the 34W have 9" hem.
There's a  1/4" to 1/2" shrinkage post 1st soak/wash.

As an extra note the 551z are now £107 on levis euro website, limited sizes.

^ chuck it's worth checking Levi's 'brick and mortar' stores for stock ( Westfield in Shep. Bush and Regent Street in London had some ).

They are online in the euro Levi's store and at Stuarts but limited sizes .

https://www.stuartslondon.com/denim-jeans-c15/straight-regular-fit-denim-c16/levis-premium-goods-501-shrink-to-fit-denim-jeans-p17110

^I think it's more down to bad measuring than anything else.
They have the highest rise of all the Tellason jeans.

They do fade nicely.

Looks great all around! I think you may have finally solved the nearly decade-old plight of my jeans - thanks again, bud!

Do you know if there's any difference in the fit with the 16.5oz version? Presumably this was from a different production run; I don't care too much about the weight of the denim but do you know anything about the quality and aesthetic of the denim compared to the 14.5oz model that I just bought?

http://www.sivletto.com/en/artiklar/tellason-ankara-166oz.html

Thanks for the deets, sounds like I made the right choice! 👍🏻

^
Now THAT looks like my kind of jeans!  Visit the Key website here:
https://www.keyapparel.com/men/162-heavyweight-denim-5-pocket-jean-traditional-fit.html

Wouldn't even mind some of the hickory stripe overalls for when I want to get really legit.

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