Thanks ooey. That does help those little block charts. The grape colour is a little less intense than that purple but much the same tone. You are right that the eye is best but it's not that easy to just throw ona jacket that goes withnthe rest ok.

As regards thee olde beatnike , I've got graphic artists in the family .......

I'm sure that beneath beaties black beret and grumpy old gnarled snarky exterior we would find there actually beats a wonderful grumpy old gnarled snarky heart of black berets.

Have a play around with this FXH, it's what I use, although if you go to colourlovers forum you can download a really good one that you can programme to create unique palettes which is great for me doing the music scale thing. Cost $50 though. Again an analytical approach to colour is not a bad thing. As long as you can judge with you eye still. You can't rely on charts, also on a screen, colour is reproduced in RGB, in life you are seeing it all much differently. Dyes work along the lines of CYMK, and sunlight gives different qualities to colours. In life colour has much more complexity and depth. IMO.

http://colorschemedesigner.com/

http://www.colourlovers.com/blog/2009/12/01/colorschemer-studio-2-for-mac-colourlovers

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2012-03-26 17:25:35)

I agree about light and sunlight giving life to colours. Blue pants particularly always look great outside in sunshine, but very so so inside.

And the light is different here in oz to uk eu.

It makes some of the "rules" for clothes and recommendations from over there not quite work here and vice versa. Some no goes from there will work here.

You can see the problem in many old paintings. The expats from eu couldnt capture the Australian light at all. It took years before they learnt how to capture the Australian light. There's not that constant moisture in the air here that softens and filters the colours. There's other issues too.

Because Sammy, most people don't know the difference between good and bad design. All they understand is price, so why should they pay a real designer money when little Billy next door can cobble something together on his computer for the price of a box of maltesers?
Everyone now is a DJ, an artist and a musician, as soon as they plug in their Mac.
Yes, it's good that people get the chance to be creative but at what price...

Oh, if you would like to check out one of my business ventures go to paulfordcartoonportraits.co.uk

Last edited by Thee Beatnik (2012-03-27 11:51:19)

I don't see the place of that argument really, although paintings are nicer to look at than screens, and vinyl is better sounding than digital, but it is all an advancement and new media and methods can offer things that weren't afford before, as well as detract.

I stopped using pens and paper because after outlaying for a laptop it was cheaper, easier, and less messy, to draw with a tablet, when I ran out of room for vinyl, it was better to have mp3s. 

The creative process is important and what you use or how you do it, is just by the by. People should be looking to learn things and express themselves, in what ever way they choose. I mean look at Jazz by Mattisse, huge piece of Art History, he was just cutting out bits of coloured card FFS!

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2012-03-27 12:19:26)

I do use photoshop to colour those cartoons Oo Bop, but the outlines are all hand drawn and not just a filter used on a photograph as some so called cartoonists do, (although some of those illustrations are coloured using mixed media - pantone, gouache and pencil).
Following your argument though, about vinyl to mp3, pen and paper to laptop, this is surely drastically opposed to the whole ethos of this forum, as in beautifully crafted, hand made clothing in traditional fabrics. Modern technology is not always good, otherwise you might as well go and buy a robotically created suit in super lightweight modern fabric from Burtons...

I'm not sure how that answers your question, if at all. But you yourself still use a computer, so you must know the answer.

One thing I regret is never learning oils, I just used to stick to acrylics. So even in actual physical mediums there are still preferred methods I guess.

Anyway, back to the Ivy palette, there is something to be said about the expression of the individual and Ivy, I think the colours of Ivy reflect the personalities of introverted-extroverts. The colours are there, but they are muted, or darkened, they are typically the tones I would suggest 'men' would go for.

Like I said everything in Prep is bright and showy and extrovert, Ivy says Ok, calm it down mate. You look like a dick. But we ain't goths either. We like colour just in a less showy way. I think pastels save us from looking too dowdy. And white trainers or bucks seem to suggest youthfulness along with the casual sports clothes influence of Ivy. Obviously you get into the smarter conservative style the room to manoeuvre becomes narrower and narrower. In maybe the choices of some of the more out there colours, even in muted shades.

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2012-03-27 14:34:08)

To be honest I thought it was, but it wasn't that so much that bothered me, as much as the threat that other people might think, oh well I won't listen to what he has to say, cause people that should know more disregard it, I just feel passionate about people being enlightened in their thoughts towards colour and how they dress and what it communicates etc. That's what interests me. And that's what I'm trying to teach people, basically all the stuff that seemed to have been missed, or poorly taught when I was learning art at college and uni. And had to go and educate myself on. THe thing with the colour wheel is it's like learning scales, it'll teach you so much, but then you have to use your own personality, and skill to make it something interesting and worthwhile.

Last edited by Oo Bop Sh'bam (2012-03-27 15:53:19)

I must say I do like Beatnik's cartoons, adding articles and geographical locations to the format adds dimension to the caricature art.

Ha!