The details and point of reference JJ uses are really wide, and I'm not saying he can't dress, he is a much better dresser than me, but, what I'm on about is avoiding the details of today, which are clearly ridiculous, but seem to be accepted because it is a way of people communicating to other hipsters they are terribly on point, Tom Ford glasses, brogues without socks and roll-up'd chino legs will be the embarrassment of our times. along with interesting haircuts. The whole reason the interpretation of modern Ivy I saw from Heikki got me over here in the first place is because I saw an escape from fashion, now fashion wants a piece of Ivy's arse, and whore it out under prep, hipster, quasi-ivy, this is a bubble, it won't last, because all these people care about is what is on point. I'm not saying JJ is all about that, he is his own man, but I don't really agree with the cross pollination, it is only when he looks traditionally Ivy I think it works, experiments are nice and all, and we have to move forward, but there should be a constant running through to make it let say 'classic Ivy' which in itself is a really broad spectrum. But like Hank says the detail is the design. I'll put my hands up and say Andy was right, I was wrong Ivy for it to work as well as it can, has to have boundaries.

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The trouble is when you do try to contain something it always has a way of pissing people off, or it can't be clearly defined. I'm not trying to do anything other than define my taste and direction, I'm not Ivy, but I think what you notice are broader attributes than just a kind of look. People like Soggy extend the Ivy look better than other people. Because it still feels constrained and less igenty. I mean that guy above, that look is stupid, when you see it in the context of now you might think it is cool, because you pick up the references, and it is on point, but I see a man who looks like an idiot and whose clothes don't fit him, that isn't a comment on him as a person, I don't know him, I'm just talking about clothes. It is so post-modern, it relies on context over its aesthetics.

We are in a really OTT time for mens fashion, and it was nice to have classic tailoring brought back, but it came with a lot of bullshit, Ivy stood to the side of that it seems but people for gain whether their profile or for money, like to flaunt it into what is current, whether hipster or preppie and it is just shit. The colours are nice on JJ's but the most simple ones are the best, maybe such use of colour is better for painting, and not mens clothes.

I never thought about this till I looked into colour and sound. But there is a nice juxtaposition of these muted and suited jazz cats having a rainbow of sound coming out their instruments.


I'm rambling now.