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#26 2012-06-15 14:23:27

senorservo
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Back to Ivy: Yes Jim, I do love how this group embraces all aspects of Ivy, sadly *some* here in the US make it into a some kind of "class" thing... This remains a huge turn-off and makes no-sense for folks like me, thankfully this forum and "like-minded associates"  like the Ivy Look book , the Hollywood Ivy book , College No 9 blog and the Weejun are puting things in the right framework...

The way Hollywood and Black America did Ivy had a huge tremendous influence on me when I was growing up...


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#27 2012-06-15 14:44:59

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

senorservo wrote:

Yuca: I toiled for seven years as an arts and culture journalist and worked three years for Fania ( I now work for the Uncle Sam as a Research-Writer), I was the content editor for the Fania website, wrote liner notes, news releases, newsletters and translated a ton of stuff...  the company has been bought over and over several times... in 2006, V2 music in the UK owned it for a few years  (that's when I was working with them). A lot of CDs were reissued in the US back then...there was a great British team behind the remastered reissues, we did some compilation work with London DJ Giles Peterson...   

In the States Fania is mostly popular in NYC, Puerto Rico and amongst the music cognoscenti... Most of the stuff was out of print till 2006, In Europe reissues kept rolling through the Vampi Soul label... Like Stax, the Fania is more **widely** appreciated in Europe, interestingly the US people of Mexican origin do not like Fania at all... they are into mariachi mex-tex music... Strange, isn't?

Cool you like Barreto, Colon and Pacheco...

My top Fania :
Barreto Indestructible
Barreto: Acid
Colon: El Malo
Larry Harlow: Harlow
Barreto Power
Barreto Together (all his sixties albums are great)
any of the Boogaloo compilations

IVL: for Fania All-Stars try "Night At The Cheetah". That's a quintessential album, Barreto Acid and Together will not disappoint, any of the Boogaloo compilations are worth your time/ Very sixties, yet very unique and new...         
and I do love-and bet you do to- the Watermelon Man, Mongo Santamaria

^ This man is Class!... With a capital "C"

It's a tad freaky you mention Watermelon Man. Have you had access to my webcam? (wink)

I've was listening to the Baba Brooks version of it earlier (no joke)

Your Fania pointers have been duly noted. The sun shines high and bright where I am, and like Tomiskinky posted esrlier. It's all proper sunshine music.


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#28 2012-06-15 14:46:42

Yuca
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

senorservo wrote:

Yuca: I toiled for seven years as an arts and culture journalist and worked three years for Fania ( I now work for the Uncle Sam as a Research-Writer), I was the content editor for the Fania website, wrote liner notes, news releases, newsletters and translated a ton of stuff...  the company has been bought over and over several times... in 2006, V2 music in the UK owned it for a few years  (that's when I was working with them). A lot of CDs were reissued in the US back then...there was a great British team behind the remastered reissues, we did some compilation work with London DJ Giles Peterson...   

In the States Fania is mostly popular in NYC, Puerto Rico and amongst the music cognoscenti... Most of the stuff was out of print till 2006, In Europe reissues kept rolling through the Vampi Soul label... Like Stax, the Fania is more **widely** appreciated in Europe, interestingly the US people of Mexican origin do not like Fania at all... they are into mariachi mex-tex music... Strange, isn't?

Cool you like Barreto, Colon and Pacheco...

My top Fania :
Barreto Indestructible
Barreto: Acid
Colon: El Malo
Larry Harlow: Harlow
Barreto Power
Barreto Together (all his sixties albums are great)
any of the Boogaloo compilations

IVL: for Fania All-Stars try "Night At The Cheetah". That's a quintessential album, Barreto Acid and Together will not disappoint, any of the Boogaloo compilations are worth your time/ Very sixties, yet very unique and new...         
and I do love-and bet you do to- the Watermelon Man, Mongo Santamaria

I'm actually DJing for some Mexican students on Sunday night, they're not too familiar with salsa but they're open to it (particularly as it gets people dancing), plus I have some other genres for them.  From my research a lot of Mexican Americans, particularly on the W coast, are into old school r&b and funk, including the band War, who were heavily influenced by Latin music (as well as r&b and soul) and are one of my all time favourite bands.  (I'm slightly biased in that I spent over an hour interviewing 2 members of War, many years ago.)

I like your Fania recommendations, nice selections.

I am heavily into old school Mongo; Watermelon Man is not my favourite though, I much prefer the albums he did before and immediately after that, although I'm glad it boosted his career.

Last edited by Yuca (2012-06-15 14:47:30)


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#29 2012-06-15 14:49:12

Yuca
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Posts: 3068

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

Watermelon Man. Have you had access to my webcam? (wink)

I've was listening to the Baba Brooks version of it earlier

So many good versions of that tune.  The Head Hunters has got to be the ultimate though - far out man!


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#30 2012-06-16 00:34:58

4F Hepcat
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

I've been going way back to the Afro-Cuban roots with Chico O'Farrill and Machito's explorations in the very early 50s on Norgran and Granz 10" albums, wonderful exotic stuff. That "latin-tinge" as Ellington called it.


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#31 2012-06-16 00:41:37

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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

senorservo wrote:

Back to Ivy: Yes Jim, I do love how this group embraces all aspects of Ivy, sadly *some* here in the US make it into a some kind of "class" thing... This remains a huge turn-off and makes no-sense for folks like me, thankfully this forum and "like-minded associates"  like the Ivy Look book , the Hollywood Ivy book , College No 9 blog and the Weejun are puting things in the right framework...

The way Hollywood and Black America did Ivy had a huge tremendous influence on me when I was growing up...

The UK and European Ivy practitioners do not in general come to the style through emulation of elite colleges, but exposure to films and jazz. This is a critical difference and why the elite pretensions and affectation of the Trads/PITA, etc in the US really grates. We may wear the same gear, but the intentions and associations are diametrically and irrefutably worlds apart.


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#32 2012-06-16 04:27:53

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Louis could have picked up that latin beat for this blues anywhere between New Orleans and New York:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8eg_wK5ohY

Somewhere I've read that the word "bebop" as in Cab Calloway's "Hey bop a rebop" goes back to Mexican big band leaders shouting "Arriba!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvvUC3A … BC6371F217


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#33 2012-06-16 04:58:40

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 95

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

4F Hepcat wrote:

senorservo wrote:

Back to Ivy: Yes Jim, I do love how this group embraces all aspects of Ivy, sadly *some* here in the US make it into a some kind of "class" thing... This remains a huge turn-off and makes no-sense for folks like me, thankfully this forum and "like-minded associates"  like the Ivy Look book , the Hollywood Ivy book , College No 9 blog and the Weejun are puting things in the right framework...

The way Hollywood and Black America did Ivy had a huge tremendous influence on me when I was growing up...

The UK and European Ivy practitioners do not in general come to the style through emulation of elite colleges, but exposure to films and jazz. This is a critical difference and why the elite pretensions and affectation of the Trads/PITA, etc in the US really grates. We may wear the same gear, but the intentions and associations are diametrically and irrefutably worlds apart.

And 99% of the Trad/PITA guys aren't from 'Elite' backgrounds anyway...

They call us fakes for just purely liking the style?  I call them fakes for their social class pretensions and Official Preppy Handbook fantasies..


Fair's fair !   wink

 

#34 2013-05-07 12:39:15

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
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From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 689

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Whatever happened to the Fania man senorservo?

He came, he saw, he disappeared...

Thought I'd re-boot his thread because today I managed to pick up -  Las Estrellas De La Fania, Vol 1-5 by the Fania All-Stars..

The weather forecast here over the next three days is 29°C, 32°C, 32°C, respectively...

These sounds are perfect for the weather.

Last edited by IvyLeagueOfGentlemen (2013-05-07 12:39:58)


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#35 2013-05-07 12:48:29

Taylor McIntyre
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Posts: 95

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Aye, he was a good 'un.

 

#36 2013-05-07 12:53:06

4F Hepcat
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

The weather forecast here over the next three days is 29°C, 32°C, 32°C, respectively....

Great, what's the day rate and when do we start?


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#37 2013-05-07 12:57:02

Drum Thunder !!!
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From: the Time that Land Forgot.
Posts: 3768

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

I think Senor is back over on the MC forum now it has started up again


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#38 2013-05-07 13:07:06

Liam
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

He posts off and on I think.  That was his way on MC I seem to remember.

Good shout by the way.  I'm all over those Fania All Stars on Spotify now.  Thanks for the tip.

It was 15º here today.  That's tops off weather in Scotland.


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#39 2013-05-07 13:09:45

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Take your Vitamin D tablets, they were on about putting it in the water supply this morning.

As for Fania, I'm still trying to find my copy of the one with the skyscrapers and flowers on the front cover.

http://991.com/newGallery/Fania-All-Stars-Fania-All-Stars-452096.jpg

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#40 2013-05-07 13:26:33

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
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From: Grace Brothers
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

A l'il taster of Las Estrellas De La Fania, Vol 1

Although not the Cheo Feliciano version.... (Ooh get me..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHu26Hb9Co


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#41 2013-05-07 13:27:32

Drum Thunder !!!
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Posts: 3768

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

I'm out of my depth!


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#42 2013-05-07 13:30:21

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
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From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 689

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

THAW !!!! wrote:

Take your Vitamin D tablets, they were on about putting it in the water supply this morning.

As for Fania, I'm still trying to find my copy of the one with the skyscrapers and flowers on the front cover.

http://991.com/newGallery/Fania-All-Sta … 452096.jpg

That album cover reminds of a picture on the wall at my old local chinky restaurant in East Ham...


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#43 2013-05-07 13:38:55

Yuca
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

THAW !!!! wrote:

Take your Vitamin D tablets, they were on about putting it in the water supply this morning.

As for Fania, I'm still trying to find my copy of the one with the skyscrapers and flowers on the front cover.

http://991.com/newGallery/Fania-All-Sta … 452096.jpg

What format(s) are you interested in?


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#44 2013-05-07 13:41:05

Liam
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Not sure you should be saying Chinky, mate. I believe the politically correct term now is "Chinaman".


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#45 2013-05-07 13:43:31

Drum Thunder !!!
Son of Odin
From: the Time that Land Forgot.
Posts: 3768

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Yuca wrote:

THAW !!!! wrote:

Take your Vitamin D tablets, they were on about putting it in the water supply this morning.

As for Fania, I'm still trying to find my copy of the one with the skyscrapers and flowers on the front cover.

http://991.com/newGallery/Fania-All-Sta … 452096.jpg

What format(s) are you interested in?

Well I've got it on vinyl somewhere, I remember side B being very good, with a couple of crowd pleasers.


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#46 2013-05-07 13:45:15

Yuca
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

I recently read a book about Tito Puente.  Apparently, he and his contemporaries despised salsa, and considered it an inferior version of mambo.  TP always referred to the FAS as 'the funny all stars'.  After listening to a lot of mambo (particularly the big 3: TP, Machito and Tito Rodriguez) I understand there is some truth to their pov.  At the same time, there is salsa that bears comparison to the mambo greats.

Btw, another amazing salsa band from back in the day, with a strong jazz element, is La Sonora Poncena - highly recommended.


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#47 2013-05-07 13:46:26

Yuca
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Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

THAW !!!! wrote:

Yuca wrote:

THAW !!!! wrote:

Take your Vitamin D tablets, they were on about putting it in the water supply this morning.

As for Fania, I'm still trying to find my copy of the one with the skyscrapers and flowers on the front cover.

http://991.com/newGallery/Fania-All-Sta … 452096.jpg

What format(s) are you interested in?

Well I've got it on vinyl somewhere, I remember side B being very good, with a couple of crowd pleasers.

Got you - I misread it as you were trying to find a copy.  Instead you're trying to find your copy.


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#48 2013-05-07 13:52:43

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
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From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 689

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Liam wrote:

Not sure you should be saying Chinky, mate. I believe the politically correct term now is "Chinaman".

It's funny (peculiar) because Irish people seem to get the short stick in all this PC malarky.

Call an Irishman a Paddy and nobody seems to care.

The endless Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman jokes, and nobody seems to care.

Call a gypsy a pikey, and nobody seems to care.

Indians, Africans, or a Chinese, and you're up the swanny without a paddle...


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#49 2013-05-07 13:57:40

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
Ivyist
From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 689

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

Yuca wrote:

I recently read a book about Tito Puente.  Apparently, he and his contemporaries despised salsa, and considered it an inferior version of mambo.  TP always referred to the FAS as 'the funny all stars'.  After listening to a lot of mambo (particularly the big 3: TP, Machito and Tito Rodriguez) I understand there is some truth to their pov.  At the same time, there is salsa that bears comparison to the mambo greats.

Btw, another amazing salsa band from back in the day, with a strong jazz element, is La Sonora Poncena - highly recommended.

I guess you need a good ear for the Latin sounds?

Salsa, mambo, it all sounds Latin to me.

The difference between Ska, and Reggae I guess?


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#50 2013-05-07 14:02:11

Drum Thunder !!!
Son of Odin
From: the Time that Land Forgot.
Posts: 3768

Re: Checking In... Ivy greetings

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

Liam wrote:

Not sure you should be saying Chinky, mate. I believe the politically correct term now is "Chinaman".

It's funny (peculiar) because Irish people seem to get the short stick in all this PC malarky.

Call an Irishman a Paddy and nobody seems to care.

The endless Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman jokes, and nobody seems to care.

Call a gypsy a pikey, and nobody seems to care.

Indians, Africans, or a Chinese, and you're up the swanny without a paddle...

Two Wongs don't make a right!


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