Film Noir Buff Style Forum / The Modern, The Modernist And The Mod ?

Beatnik's ghost · 2012-08-01 09:33:30

Can I just say Oliver, that your hair looks so much better since your trim...

Harpo · 2012-08-01 09:39:52

+1. With your old style there was the possible danger of skiing into trees.

woofboxer · 2012-08-01 10:20:34

What a fine couple!

Goodyear welt · 2012-08-01 12:36:58

Put it back in your trousers Woof their not swingers.

4F Hepcat · 2012-08-01 13:00:42

The swinging scene, does it exist? We know there's a dogging scene for the lower echelons, but is their a bonafide swinging scene for the middle classes?

Purely academic question by the way.

annadale · 2012-09-02 05:04:24

http://vimeo.com/48660626

Talk Idle · 2012-09-02 05:12:08

4F Hepcat wrote:
The swinging scene, does it exist? We know there's a dogging scene for the lower echelons, but is their a bonafide swinging scene for the middle classes?

Purely academic question by the way.

Indoor dogging round our way at Xtreme Xotic (or something of the sort), where they feature a 'gang-bang' room etc. etc. My grandfather, who drove his horse and cart around that particular town, must be reeling in his grave. Being able to buy a skinny latte would have been seen, I'm sure, as bordering on the depraved. The town now - once mining and textiles - is now a hotbed of tattooing and piercing, dog-fighting, badger-baiting, giving Nazi salutes etc. etc. But it also boasts the biggest antiques centre in this part of the Midlands, so I do venture over there once in a blue moon. I - even I - should not like to gaze upon the ladies putting it about at this particular club.

MarkCoyle · 2012-09-02 05:28:58

Talk Idle - which bit of midlands is this? I live in Nottinghamshire south of the rivernear the city but out into the former mining towns embedded within countryside in the north of the county, twenty or thirty miles or more away from a city in any direction some places do get as you describe, all a bit 'Eden Lake'. Some go this way and others go into the northern soul scene and keep a kind of community going.

Goodyear welt · 2012-09-02 05:54:37

In the olden days Leicester used to have a huge stone wall round it to keep out the sheep shagging perverts of Derby and Forest fans. When it was ordered to be knocked down by the European court of human rights I left.

Great vid Anna, cheers.

woofboxer · 2012-09-02 07:02:15

Talk Idle wrote:
4F Hepcat wrote:
The swinging scene, does it exist? We know there's a dogging scene for the lower echelons, but is their a bonafide swinging scene for the middle classes?

Purely academic question by the way.
Indoor dogging round our way at Xtreme Xotic (or something of the sort), where they feature a 'gang-bang' room etc. etc. My grandfather, who drove his horse and cart around that particular town, must be reeling in his grave. Being able to buy a skinny latte would have been seen, I'm sure, as bordering on the depraved. The town now - once mining and textiles - is now a hotbed of tattooing and piercing, dog-fighting, badger-baiting, giving Nazi salutes etc. etc. But it also boasts the biggest antiques centre in this part of the Midlands, so I do venture over there once in a blue moon. I - even I - should not like to gaze upon the ladies putting it about at this particular club.

Ilkeston?

MarkCoyle · 2012-09-02 07:24:00

I went out with a girl in Ilkeston and had to go through Cotmanay to get to her house, truly one of the scariest, backward, ignorant and aggressive communities I've ever known. I was threatened by adults just for going through it.

4F Hepcat · 2012-09-02 09:15:06

The Sutton estate in Hull takes some beating, the only place I've had brick thrown at my car and a work mate was dragged out of a public phone box by the local hard man.

Yuca · 2012-09-06 01:25:16

Here's a good image of real mods back in the day. On RSG, so at the point when mod was going or had gone from underground to public knowledge, but these lads were around before mod went mainstream. (Ignore the bloke with the guitar; apparently he was a successful pop star of the time.)

No one's going to mistake them for American students, and if they'd been a bit older I don't think they could have got away with that look. However they look supremely cool imo. The jackets and Levis are, of course, part of the US look, although the haircuts and cycling tops (and probably the shoes) are, of course, not part of the US look.

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Oo Bop Sh'bam · 2012-09-06 01:38:10

Far too neat! X

Yuca · 2012-09-06 01:48:51

Too neat to look good? If they'd worn the same look but scruffy it would have ruined it. (And by the standards of the time, it was extremely casual wear to be out in at night.)

If you looked better than them when you were that age (I'm sure they were teenagers), I'd love to see evidence.

Or was that your famous straightfaced humour? (I never have understood irony.)

Oo Bop Sh'bam · 2012-09-06 02:33:47

I think it high lights quite an important part in why ivy isn't a sub culture, there isn't rules on anything outside of the details of the clothes and even that's up for grabs. Like when jp tried to tell me i didn't understand the modernist asthetic, i'd argue there are hundreds of modernist styles, i mean whats the link between the e.u.r and a pollock painting? Ivy is a clothing system that allows people to be themselves, and when you broaden that out to americana too then you have a very broad spectrum of horses for courses clothing, mod blood runs through a lot of people on here, and then they start to claim neatness as an important part of ivy, well it's not only if you need to dress smartly you can, if you want to dress in a lazy manner its up to the person, i wouldn't then say you need to see the clothes as anything other than suited for the job. So really all my little slur was is, dressing neat was important for mods because of the thinking they were expressing. For me it is not so important. Unless i'm at work.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-09-06 02:43:01

/\ Brilliant post !

J.

Oo Bop Sh'bam · 2012-09-06 03:00:10

I'm not saying yucas observation about them being neatly dressed makes it better, is wrong, i'm just talking about why ivy, or being a modernist doesn't have to mean neat.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-09-06 03:24:59

The two posts go together very well. There's Modernism & there's Ivy & then there's an overlap - Very creative stuff.

J.

MarkCoyle · 2012-09-06 03:25:57

I believe that preconceptions play a big part in the UK perspective on Ivy clothing, at least in the early stages of an interest. On reflection it did for myself having been a Mod a long time ago and having an enduring interest in the preceding 'modernists' in the UK which are now like a myth receding away. It's possible there weren't more than a handful of these but their influence was felt in many areas of creative expression. So I came at Ivy as a formal of smart clothing that I could mature with without initially knowing much about the USA origins. As I've read more, seen pictures and talked with people a realisation dawns that the smart aspects are only one part of someone living a life and people spend more time wearing informal casual dress than dressing up. I recall the shock of seeing people with unbuttoned, button down shirts. It seemed illogical to me but it was a casualisation that said, I'm not conventional and I'm relaxing or similar. I guess we're all building up a mental image of how we perceive ourselves and want to be perceived, for me that's on the smart end of things but I appreciate that's just me.

Reading Flusser's 'Dressing The Man' last night..... oh he really hates centre vents jackets.

Taylor McIntyre · 2012-09-06 03:36:12

When I started in on Modculture as 'Russell Street', saying hello to the Mods and putting forward the POV that Ivy was for them if they wanted it, I got a nicely mixed reaction from 'Yes, we know' to 'Nah, it's all baggy stuff'. Both POVs can be true. The fun is the cultural collision that Ivy is all about - Even in the US where you'll get guys as common as dirt who wear Ivy insisting that these are the clothes of the elite & not for anyone else !

It's all a part of the never ending conversation.

The clothes are Mod AND Trad. It all depends. You are either cool in them or an old frump... And all it takes is a plane ticket - You can move from Face to Disgrace as you take off from Heathrow & touch down in Logan !

J.

4F Hepcat · 2012-09-06 05:58:24

Oo Bop Sh'bam wrote:
I'm not saying yucas observation about them being neatly dressed makes it better, is wrong, i'm just talking about why ivy, or being a modernist doesn't have to mean neat.

But it does signify intelligence and comfort.

Liam Mac · 2012-09-06 06:51:33

Talk Ivy wrote:
When I started in on Modculture as 'Russell Street', saying hello to the Mods and putting forward the POV that Ivy was for them if they wanted it, I got a nicely mixed reaction from 'Yes, we know' to 'Nah, it's all baggy stuff'. Both POVs can be true. The fun is the cultural collision that Ivy is all about - Even in the US where you'll get guys as common as dirt who wear Ivy insisting that these are the clothes of the elite & not for anyone else !

It's all a part of the never ending conversation.
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I'm glad you did stick your neck out Jim. Thanks.

This was me around the time I started lurking here. At first I thought the forum was all a bit old mannish, a bit frumpy... but for some reason I kept coming back and slowly but surely I got my eye in. Couldn't have been more than 21 here I don't think but already I felt like I was too old for such a young mans look.

Think I'm wearing;
Vintage Arrow Cum Laude poly cotton Oxford BD
Jump The Gun Sta Prest
Knit tie from Tie Rack
Vintage Blue/Grey nail head wool 2 button bum freezer
Black or navy Pantherella socks
Black Weejuns Larson

Hair by Mitch at Rainbow Rooms, Glasgow.

The Ivy influence is coming through already. I didn't warm to Weejuns until I started lurking here and the Arrow shirt I think I bought from a poster here or on Modculture who also posted on TI.

Liam Mac · 2012-09-06 07:03:23

And yeah Yuca those kids look cool as hell. If I was 21 or younger again I'd be wearing the modernist style. No doubt.

It just became a cul de sac though as I got a little older.

I'll never forget how pleased I was when I went into a friends party and overheard a group of girls saying 'check him out' 'oh him, he's a Mod' 'So cool'. How Vain I was, how self involved. But you can get away with it when you're 18. The important thing is to cut it loose when it stops washing.

Oo Bop Sh'bam · 2012-09-06 07:37:14

Surely it was more like, ' check'm oot'?

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