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#51 2012-09-27 02:22:57

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Right on!


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#52 2012-09-30 17:15:08

Richard Bergman
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

this is a great jacket - sadly the price isn't.

http://www.mrporter.com/product/316781

 

#53 2012-10-01 02:28:30

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

For that price, there are far better British raincoats available imo (Aquascutum, Baracuta or Grenfell.  A couple of decades ago Burberrys would have led such a list).  (Not that I can imagine anyone on here paying that price anyway.)


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#54 2012-10-01 02:43:27

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

For anyone in the Midlands there is a good Aquascutum outlet shop at junction 26 of M1 that has excellent discounts and both myself and my wife got their trench coats at substantially reduced prices (£100).

 

#55 2012-10-01 02:51:15

Armchaired
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

MarkCoyle wrote:

For anyone in the Midlands there is a good Aquascutum outlet shop at junction 26 of M1 that has excellent discounts and both myself and my wife got their trench coats at substantially reduced prices (£100).

Thanks for the tip Mark ,i will be attending a meeting near there next week with an overnighter (might pop in).
You have been quiet lately ,good to see you back buddy.After your last bit of critique you sort of disappeared very quietly.
Maybe its good to mellow and take it like a man, slightly but I miss the tantrums.

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#56 2012-10-01 03:04:16

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Richard Bergman wrote:

this is a great jacket - sadly the price isn't.

http://www.mrporter.com/product/316781

This jacket is listed as a rain coat but I think it is too short for that and should be called a car coat. But then that description would put of the fashionistas. Far too expensive but at least it is made in Scotland. I usually wait for the mrporter sale before buying from this site and then I only buy from the limited range of BrooksBrothers stuff.


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#57 2012-10-01 07:38:55

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Armchaired, thanks for the mention.   After I left the group and came back, I've been around since and just try not to take it too seriously.   I'm busy on a few fronts so try to contribute where I can.

Car coats - I've been looking if anyone does them at a reasonable price vs quality balance, it's a style that appears to have faded away somewhat.   Anyone know anyone doing them?

 

#58 2012-10-01 07:51:39

Armchaired
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Well i have one of these an aquasutum aqua mac

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/thumbs/4237_kgrhqvjue9hsbml0ibpedgtfg60_12.jpg

It is a little underwhelming and is not for everyone.
but its lightweight keeps the rain off and does well when
you are hoping around town and its not to cold.

Last edited by Armchaired (2012-10-01 07:52:12)


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#59 2012-10-01 08:04:41

12BarBlues
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

I just bought a London fog main coat on etsy that has a zip out lining and looks to be in mint condition, only cost me £30 including postage. There's tons, of these on eBay and etsy.


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#60 2012-10-01 08:07:00

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Armchaired wrote:

Maybe its good to mellow and take it like a man, slightly but I miss the tantrums.

Mark he's dissing you.  Personally I wouldn't take that off anyone.


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#61 2012-10-01 08:33:27

woofboxer
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

MarkCoyle wrote:

Car coats - I've been looking if anyone does them at a reasonable price vs quality balance, it's a style that appears to have faded away somewhat.   Anyone know anyone doing them?

Maybe it's to do with the advent of air conditioning and heated seats in cars, but you're right, the term 'car coat' seems to have dropped right out of use.


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#62 2012-10-01 12:45:28

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Yuca wrote:

For that price, there are far better British raincoats available imo (Aquascutum, Baracuta or Grenfell.  A couple of decades ago Burberrys would have led such a list).  (Not that I can imagine anyone on here paying that price anyway.)

I gotta just say I don't agree with this, not because I own a few, they do have their draws backs, especially if you feel the heat, but Grenfell aren't the premium brand they were according to the former owners, even if they are still big bucks. Baracuta, which I have owned, are actually not too bad for the money, I think it was produced in Portugal, but it wasn't a premium product. And I believe Aquascutum of recent doesn't have particularly good credentials any more, I've got a Burberry's (UK made) but I have to say it doesn't keep you as dry as the Mackintosh. Although it is well made.

Mackintosh, even under the new owners is a premium product, the material is made on site at the factory, the jackets liners are beautiful medium weight tartan wool which aren't cheap in themselves. Probably about £150 of fabric even before it's made into the liner. The truth is Mackintosh are actually one of the last few British made brands which you can still be granted complete quality, I don't think there is better out there, and in a world where your typically paying for a name, and not getting the quality, I think with Mackintosh your still getting what you deserve for the money.

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#63 2012-10-01 13:05:17

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

^imagine the national anthem playing quietly behind your post getting louder towards the end when your talking about Mackintosh.... Beautifull, it brought a tear to my eye. All it needs is rapturous applause at the end.


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#64 2012-10-01 13:29:33

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

I think Alex Salmond hacked my account.


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#65 2012-10-01 13:35:58

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

My Grandfather's Pants wrote:

Yuca wrote:

For that price, there are far better British raincoats available imo (Aquascutum, Baracuta or Grenfell.  A couple of decades ago Burberrys would have led such a list).  (Not that I can imagine anyone on here paying that price anyway.)

I gotta just say I don't agree with this, not because I own a few, they do have their draws backs, especially if you feel the heat, but Grenfell aren't the premium brand they were according to the former owners, even if they are still big bucks. Baracuta, which I have owned, are actually not too bad for the money, I think it was produced in Portugal, but it wasn't a premium product. And I believe Aquascutum of recent doesn't have particularly good credentials any more, I've got a Burberry's (UK made) but I have to say it doesn't keep you as dry as the Mackintosh. Although it is well made.

Mackintosh, even under the new owners is a premium product, the material is made on site at the factory, the jackets liners are beautiful medium weight tartan wool which aren't cheap in themselves. Probably about £150 of fabric even before it's made into the liner. The truth is Mackintosh are actually one of the last few British made brands which you can still be granted complete quality, I don't think there is better out there, and in a world where your typically paying for a name, and not getting the quality, I think with Mackintosh your still getting what you deserve for the money.

Mackintosh in general perhaps, however the one in question looked underwhelming to me.

As re. the brands I mentioned: tbh, my perception of them may be outdated, they may have gone the same way as Burberrys.  Well I have bought a couple of G9s in the last few years, which are decent but . . .

not as good as they used to be.

How I'd love to be unable to drop that cliche.

Anyway, perhaps I should have said: for that money, you could get something a lot better, including from Mackintosh, who have more striking and classic items.

Aren't Mackingtoshes supposed to be a bit sweaty though, due to their treatment?  Not a problem with the brands I referenced, so perhaps I was right after all.


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#66 2012-10-01 13:49:03

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Well the main difference is Macs are bonded cotton and some of the brands to my knowledge rubberised cotton, and because of this one thing it true, Macs resist the water, and the wind much better, they carry vents under the arms, and like I said, if you're cold blooded not a problem.

But I think with all of these classic menswear products, why are we using old technology, surely they could produced just as lovely looking fabrics that did breathe, and keep the wearer dry?


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#67 2012-10-01 13:53:17

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Armchaired wrote:

Well i have one of these an aquasutum aqua mac

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/ … g60_12.jpg

It is a little underwhelming and is not for everyone.
but its lightweight keeps the rain off and does well when
you are hoping around town and its not to cold.

+1. There were a load on ebay last year. Think I payed about 20 quid. I've a similar jobbie by Boss thats very fitted. Neither are much use in the cold. I can't fault my tonic long peacoat by Burberry, even if it is made in China.


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#68 2012-10-01 14:00:44

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

They could, ventile for instance is a better fabric - the problem with the mac is that they tend to grease permanently.


My Grandfather's Pants wrote:

Well the main difference is Macs are bonded cotton and some of the brands to my knowledge rubberised cotton, and because of this one thing it true, Macs resist the water, and the wind much better, they carry vents under the arms, and like I said, if you're cold blooded not a problem.

But I think with all of these classic menswear products, why are we using old technology, surely they could produced just as lovely looking fabrics that did breathe, and keep the wearer dry?

 

#69 2012-10-01 14:42:14

Armchaired
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Goodyear welt wrote:

Armchaired wrote:

Well i have one of these an aquasutum aqua mac

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/ … g60_12.jpg

It is a little underwhelming and is not for everyone.
but its lightweight keeps the rain off and does well when
you are hoping around town and its not to cold.

+1. There were a load on ebay last year. Think I payed about 20 quid. I've a similar jobbie by Boss thats very fitted. Neither are much use in the cold. I can't fault my tonic long peacoat by Burberry, even if it is made in China.

I got mine on ebay too paid a little more than a score though, still the retail price is crazy, a couple of hundred notes i think.Anyway i am in good company if you have one ,love the blog too ,well done fella.


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#70 2012-10-01 16:10:09

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

robbo wrote:

They could, ventile for instance is a better fabric - the problem with the mac is that they tend to grease permanently.


My Grandfather's Pants wrote:

Well the main difference is Macs are bonded cotton and some of the brands to my knowledge rubberised cotton, and because of this one thing it true, Macs resist the water, and the wind much better, they carry vents under the arms, and like I said, if you're cold blooded not a problem.

But I think with all of these classic menswear products, why are we using old technology, surely they could produced just as lovely looking fabrics that did breathe, and keep the wearer dry?

I think not being able to dry clean or use detergent on them doesn't help with the grease, I still think they are more robust than Burberrys style of garbarine, which does have a bit of breathability but doesn't block out the cold wind like the bonded. Personally I'd go for a Burberry in town, with all the going in an out of different types of environment, where if you need something to walk round the village in or something a bit more rural and exposed to harsh weather, the Mackintosh is like I said robust, but there are just more practical material out there now like you say. I know they do the Lora Piana storm system, but I've never worn it so I don't know how good it is, but we do have a jacket at work by Mabrun, with the storm system and it seems quite pleasant. (material-wise)


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#71 2012-10-02 02:00:40

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

A singlebreasted raincoat is not supposed to be a winter garment, however they are supposed to be warm enough to withstand large amounts of the year in this country.  In winter a wool coat makes more sense, although I think most trenches are also thick enough for the winter (via the detachable wool lining).  Older single breasted Burberrys are thick enough to keep you warm for a lot of the year and pretty waterproof, I think without using rubber or other treatment, it's only modern Burberrys that are so slight.  Afaik.

I've not really investigated the recent quality of the other brands I was praising earlier, however any that are no longer manufactured in the UK are automatically under suspicion in my eyes.

There was a company making copies of old school Burberrys that was linked on here a while ago, if I had the cash and the need for a new mac, I would certainly investigate them.


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#72 2012-10-02 04:32:12

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

I have a BrooksBrothers (made in Thailand) single breasted raincoat with a removable wool/cashmere lining that can be worn all year in the UK, but only in an urban environment. It is extremely well made and will probably last a lifetime. 30/40 years ago similar coats were commonplace and you could pass by unnoticed. This is not the case today and it seems only TV news reporters wear them. For the country I tend to wear Gore Tex coats  etc. with no obvious Ivy connections.


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#73 2012-10-02 11:28:22

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Yuca wrote:

A singlebreasted raincoat is not supposed to be a winter garment, however they are supposed to be warm enough to withstand large amounts of the year in this country.  In winter a wool coat makes more sense, although I think most trenches are also thick enough for the winter (via the detachable wool lining).  Older single breasted Burberrys are thick enough to keep you warm for a lot of the year and pretty waterproof, I think without using rubber or other treatment, it's only modern Burberrys that are so slight.  Afaik.

I've not really investigated the recent quality of the other brands I was praising earlier, however any that are no longer manufactured in the UK are automatically under suspicion in my eyes.

There was a company making copies of old school Burberrys that was linked on here a while ago, if I had the cash and the need for a new mac, I would certainly investigate them.

The Gabardine in Burberrys has the cotton thread treated with rubber, this means there are still holes between the threads for breathability, but this also means there is more chance of the water passing through the material than with say the bonded cotton style that Mackintosh's have.


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#74 2012-10-02 12:11:44

Yuca
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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

Many years ago (when you lot were still wasting your time on modcult arguing about the correct way to backcomb a bouffant) someone on here - possibly The Weejun - stated they had a NOS 60s Burberrys mac, and the cotton was so tightly woven that it was completely waterpoof.

Burberry now would undoubtedly come a poor second to Macintosh now.  Presumably the latter has less of a name to rely on, so is forced to actually offer decent quality (like clothing manufacturers used to do in the old days).

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#75 2012-10-02 12:23:16

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Re: It's peeing down...it's windy... so what do we wear?

I'm talking about the nature of the fabric due to its construction, Mackintosh material is impervious to water because of the layer of rubber between the cotton, but Burberry does have a hyrdrastatic head, because if it breathes, at some point of saturation water will pass through it, it can be a very high amount,  I'm not sure what it is on Burberry, but I own both, and the Burberrys I have is from a period where it was still UK made, and not a piece of tat, and I would say it is great in terms of comfort, but isn't as waterproof.

Last edited by My Grandfather's Pants (2012-10-02 12:24:00)


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