To be honest Liam is right on the money with these shirts IMO, and the propaganda around conservatism suits a few people, but it's stupid to deny both elements of Ivy, including broadening out to outdoor-wear and work-wear which were assimilated into the look, like I said if you're a conservative person you will suggest that it the truth of the Ivy look, do some research, it's not, it's half the story, I could fill a forums worth of of period photos suggesting the opposite of both view points.
I blame the Andropause.
I don't think you need to question BoB's or Formby's interest on clothes, they are on a different page, but they're reading the book.
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Saab looking good as ever too
I got the impression for a long time that it was gospel to some, of course your interest stretches back way before that book, so you'd have a different story than say someone that got into the look in the last five years, but again, like I said on the other post, you can only argue subjectively, the facts, and Liam can prove he is right. If people don't like them, then that's a different story. Also now a days it is a lot easier for people to research, so someone could have been into Ivy the last 20 years, and have a good understanding, but there are people that might like a different aspects, and took it upon themselves to look into that deeply. I find it all interesting. And I just take what I like from what I see other people discovering.
Oh and if this weather continues like this all my books are getting burned, apart from HWATIL. That is the book IMO, if only they did another one like that, but a complete history.
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I think it's time to dust off the crash mats in the Forum Fight Club!
THat's why I like HWATIL it undid a lot of those rules the first book made and wasn't afraid to broaden out, I wouldn't wear a lot of the stuff the Newman wears at the back of the book, but what I liked was seeing the America of the 50's and 60's, where Ivy sat inside the umbrella of menswear, and was mixed was other things like 50's sportswear, no one would argue a harrington being Ivy, but it's sportswear, not Ivy tailoring.
You see what trouble a patterned shirt causes? The first one that I got in 1970 also got me a slap from the school bully. Four weeks later he was wearing one and wanting to be my friend.
I know you like the prints formby, but I know you prefer your British look. I've always quite liked the British look for it's fabrics and patterns, but not it's cuts. Anyway, I think it all just went a bit needlessly sour. They're not kids shirts, they not even that out there. Christ wait until I do my Hapsash and The Coloured Coat inspired range!
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They don't like these clothes though, well, the cut of them, so why come over and make a fuss, you have Shoo to keep you busy, or has he Od'd on the alfalfa juice?
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liam your in box is full
On top of that, I didn't have a problem with anything you said Formby!
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I think you got caught up in the argument Formby. Sorry that you got dragged into it.
Thanks for your input and the link. You don't need me to tell you your input is always good whether on Ivy style clothing or not.