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#51 2013-01-06 04:23:16

Yuca
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They're ok, but none of them really appeals to me.

1. Nice jacket.  I'm not sure about the shirt.  The collar looks stiff to me; that may be just the shot, however as I know Chens doesn't do vintage then the collar probably really is stiff, which to me ruins the look.  Also, with that light coloured jacket, I feel a darker shirt may have been advisable.  Obviously we can't see footwear, trousers or even the tie properly, so I would need to see more before being impressed.  However I have worn worse combinations, and it's not a disaster.  Nor does it really appeal to me.

2. Again the collar looks stiff on the shirt - what is ivy without a roll?  Again, that may just be the shot, I suppose.  The rest is ok, but I don't actually like it - the jacket is very summery and informal, whilst black shoes and trousers are overly formal, particularly for ivy.  Together the 2 look ok, but nothing special.

3. The best of the bunch, however once again his shirt seems to have no roll, so I'm unimpressed overall.  I would need to see more of the jacket to like it, but what I can discern I like.  Shoes I don't like, although I suspect they are part of the ivy canon.  Overall he looks okish, but the details fail to inspire me, at all.

I'm not being overly critical due to personal animosity, just objectively honest.  Nothing offensive or disastrous, but nothing I actually like.  If those are him at his best, he needs to hit some thrift stores, O'Connell's, etc asap.


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#52 2013-01-06 04:29:10

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

I think  his taste is generally good all round, on those pics. If Soggs was wearing them, he'd actually probably look cool. I'm not greatly bothered on the details because that is down to availability, than choice in a way. By that I mean, he put together bad ingredients well if you catch my drift?

Being a prisoner to the details is why I have really no decent Ivy tailoring, I just can't find my size in old stuff, So generally I avoid wearing modern attempts, and dress more casually.

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#53 2013-01-06 04:29:28

woofboxer
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Yep, all in all I think he puts together a good look. He makes a conscious effort to go for thin lapels and ties which is not to everyone's taste but nothing wrong with that IMO and it suits his body shape. He's very tall and thin so he's never going to look good in baggy stuff. There are bits I don't like in those pictures i.e. that belt buckle, but thats in the realms of nit picking really. He doesn't go for vintage stuff so what you see here is a moden take on ivy, which is fine if that's for you.


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#54 2013-01-06 04:43:00

Axelist
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

woofboxer wrote:

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You will have to be patient Hepcat, the files will be released in 2042 under the the Thirty Year rule.

By that time we will live in cities inside huge domes as it will far too dangerous to go outside because of pollution and ultra violet rays. Due to being in a permanent air conditioned environment there will no need for clothing and we will all be able to walk around naked in public. Personal hologram packs will take care of decency by cloaking you in an illusion of the clothing of your choice. This would mean I would have access to a selection of Brooks No 1 suits, matched with white shirts and muted repp ties whilst Liam Mac will be able switch between lumberjack, surfer or rockabilly just by thinking about it. Grandfather Pant will be able to make himself black and project a number of doppelgangers to make up his own gang of disaffected ghetto kids with exremely short trousers. I'll be dead by the time all this fun starts but you may see it. Just think how interesting Ivy Style For Today will be by then.

Haha. Since those projections lack the complete covering aspects of clothing, we will see a change in menswear. Ties will not be worn around the neck, they will drop to the waistzone. Bowties will disappear, because then, compared to ties, they will be too much of an unwanted statement.


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#55 2013-01-06 04:43:23

Yuca
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Put it this way: if those were the only photos I had ever seen of ivy, even disregarding the fact that Chens - like all of us - doesn't have the natural photogenic appeal of the likes of Steve McQueen, there's no way I would be interested.  He dresses well for work, but it's really nothing special.

Once you take away anything that might look overly retro, and all the details that can't be bought new any more (most obviously and essentially: collar roll), it's all a bit bland.  Infinitely better than what most people wear to the office, but nowhere near as good as what can be seen on literally 1000s of vintage photos, many of which are of people who were not remotely famous.

In other words: the average Brooks customer of several decades ago looked a lot better.

As Woof says, it's a take on ivy.  I prefer the real deal.


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#56 2013-01-06 04:50:58

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

I think he looks good, I'm not going to wear it, I'm not going to say it is purist, but the outfits are put together well in terms of colour and pattern, and a lot better than what I see of igents and prep. For everything else you say I think you're probably right.

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#57 2013-01-06 05:01:12

Yuca
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My Grandfather's Pants wrote:

I think  his taste is generally good all round, on those pics. If Soggs was wearing them, he'd actually probably look cool. I'm not greatly bothered on the details because that is down to availability, than choice in a way. By that I mean, he put together bad ingredients well if you catch my drift?

Being a prisoner to the details is why I have really no decent Ivy tailoring, I just can't find my size in old stuff, So generally I avoid wearing modern attempts, and dress more casually.

Soggs wears more of a European look, so I can't see the comparison.  And you're saying Chens should be excused details because they're unavailable?  He should only be excused details if he looks good. 

Patrick is the natural comparison to Chens: both US residents, neither of them has film star stunning photogenic appeal, both wear ivy, and neither has some sort of obsessive 50s/60s agenda, or the desire to follow the 'rules' of the look all the time i.e. both are prepared to wear things outside the canon, on occasion.

Without wishing to be sychophantic towards Patrick, every photo I see of him has the sort of understated yet subtly bold stylishness that was present in American clothing of the past, but has been replaced by vulgarity and/or blandness in today's fashions.  With his aspirational, designer take on ivy, Chens simply doesn't achieve this understated, subtly bold beauty of classic ivy. 

Instead he looks quite good, in a bland sort of way.


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#58 2013-01-06 05:12:03

12BarBlues
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Yuca wrote:

My Grandfather's Pants wrote:

I think  his taste is generally good all round, on those pics. If Soggs was wearing them, he'd actually probably look cool. I'm not greatly bothered on the details because that is down to availability, than choice in a way. By that I mean, he put together bad ingredients well if you catch my drift?

Being a prisoner to the details is why I have really no decent Ivy tailoring, I just can't find my size in old stuff, So generally I avoid wearing modern attempts, and dress more casually.

Soggs wears more of a European look, so I can't see the comparison.  And you're saying Chens should be excused details because they're unavailable?  He should only be excused details if he looks good. 

Patrick is the natural comparison to Chens: both US residents, neither of them has film star stunning photogenic appeal, both wear ivy, and neither has some sort of obsessive 50s/60s agenda, or the desire to follow the 'rules' of the look all the time i.e. both are prepared to wear things outside the canon, on occasion.

Without wishing to be sychophantic towards Patrick, every photo I see of him has the sort of understated yet subtly bold stylishness that was present in American clothing of the past, but has been replaced by vulgarity and/or blandness in today's fashions.  With his aspirational, designer take on ivy, Chens simply doesn't achieve this understated, subtly bold beauty of classic ivy. 

Instead he looks quite good, in a bland sort of way.

Very well put, and I don't think it sounds sycophantic at all. After all were here to talk about and admire men's style, are we not?


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#59 2013-01-06 05:13:42

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

No I'm saying Soggs carries himself better, and would look cooler in the same outfits, as that was the premise of the thread, some people will never look cool. Myself included, and some people can make t-shirts look cool, That was my point.

I think calling Patrick unphotogenic is a terrible thing to say, he has leading man qualities, well B-movies at least!

I agree with your last bit which is why I quite like the 80's outdoor ivy/prep vibe it still had tradition and practicality around it. But also as you can tell from the 40's adverts, and many others, it wasn't always about subtly. I'm not sure that is a rule that truly exists, it has been fabricated to suit people's tastes. Ivy was of course conservative in conservative situations, and playful when not, it is a complete system to match moods, and circumstances. Brooks were dressing to some degree, the successful man from any standing, for any situation. I like that ethos.

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#60 2013-01-06 06:05:59

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Another thought on Chens is that he's only been doing this for just four years. With the Ivy blog thrust upon him overnight came the need to look the part to represent his business.

Casting my mind back to when I was a newbie, trying to work all this out in the dark (not a problem that anybody has these days with the Net.), I wore a lot of Arrow & Hathaway with 'modified' English RTW to get an 'Ivy' look. Loafers were from Saxone and I had one 'Ivy' MTM suit from a tailor who was basically a theatrical costumier (Colin Wilde, 'the tallest tailor in London', whatever happened to him?). Pretty much I spent seven years like that untill my introduction to John Simons in '85 which transformed my game no end. Then that same year came the first NYC trip.

John Gall tells a similar story, with M&S blazers altered into 3 button jobs to go with his buttondowns and Weegians until he encountered JS.

Rites of passage stuff.

Chen's take is Chen's take. He's not a clothes nut, but then that's not his business. I'd say he keeps a 'capsule' Ivy wardrobe - Which could be a good idea for a thread...

 

#61 2013-01-06 06:12:30

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Another thought is that his clothes are 'props', in the theatrical sense - Which brings me back to my first Ivy suit !  wink

 

#62 2013-01-06 09:38:21

Drum Thunder !!!
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

What are you saying about my cravat mutha-fucker?

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#63 2013-01-06 09:55:41

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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

this scares me shitless thou

http://www.dandyism.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/luomo-vogue-2.jpg


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#64 2013-01-06 09:59:20

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

/\  Yeah, that's the guy. That's the real Chens.

All his own work.

 

#65 2013-01-06 10:14:04

12BarBlues
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

He looks better with a beard, the rest though ... Hmmm.


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#66 2013-01-06 10:15:44

12BarBlues
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

He looks better with a beard, the rest though ... Hmmm.


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#67 2013-01-06 10:28:13

Chris_H
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Cool isn't the first thing that springs to mind in any description concerning him...

 

#68 2013-01-06 10:51:07

Armchaired
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

I think he would look better with a size 10 up his arse!


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#69 2013-01-06 12:44:54

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

12BarBlues wrote:

He looks better with a beard, the rest though ... Hmmm.

Quite the transformation he's had. But it's all just stuff he adopts for his blogs. He looked different before the 'Dandyism' beard too and will doubtless look different yet again to sell something new one day. It's all schtick.

I'm amazed he went for the Ivy thing... But then I can be oddly plausible sometimes...

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#70 2013-01-06 12:49:41

Chris_H
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

^ Ivy's own Agent Zig Zag!!

 

#71 2013-01-06 13:19:34

Goodyear welt
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Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Ray at the Coca-Cola advert recording session, 1967.


http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/art-print/ray-charles-taping-a-coca-cola-radio-commercial-1967_i-G-37-3712-9OJAF00Z.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/37/3712/FPJAF00Z/plakater/ray-charles-taping-a-coca-cola-radio-commercial-1967.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/37/3712/BPJAF00Z/plakater/ray-charles-taping-a-coca-cola-radio-commercial-1967.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/37/3712/TSJAF00Z/plakater/ray-charles-taping-a-coca-cola-radio-commercial-1967.jpg

On 45 as part of an Coke advert EP. Other artists are The Supremes and The Everley Brothers, if memory serves me right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189lpNlIUDw


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#72 2013-01-06 14:08:41

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

/\ Like that a lot.

 

#73 2013-01-06 14:09:28

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Chris_H wrote:

^ Ivy's own Agent Zig Zag!!

Been a laugh, hasn't it? Sometimes. Maybe.

wink

 

#74 2013-01-06 14:31:57

12BarBlues
Mr. Ivy
Posts: 2477

Re: The Cool Pic Thread -

Goodyear welt wrote:

Ray at the Coca-Cola advert recording session, 1967.


http://imgc.artprintimages.com/images/a … JAF00Z.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LR … l-1967.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LR … l-1967.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LR … l-1967.jpg

On 45 as part of an Coke advert EP. Other artists are The Supremes and The Everley Brothers, if memory serves me right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189lpNlIUDw

Now those are cool pics!


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#75 2013-01-07 03:47:30

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The bearded Chenners phase was particularly unflattering: looked like he dined on sherry for breakfast.


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