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#126 2014-01-27 14:21:56
- Acton_Baby
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
It's life Jim, but not as we know it.
"I have about 100 pairs of pyjamas. I like to see people dressed comfortably."
Hugh Hefner
#127 2014-01-27 14:40:11
#128 2014-01-27 16:07:06
- Oliver
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
^ Montreal Jew, dated my grandmother in summer camp!
#129 2014-01-27 16:11:43
- steve mcqueen fan
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"McQueen's message was signaled through subtraction... in a tweed or herringbone jacket and a ribbed swearer he had an electric austerity".
#130 2014-01-27 16:13:02
#131 2014-01-27 16:14:20
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
Btw, 7.75" is the perfect trouser taper imo.
#132 2014-01-27 16:32:17
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955
#133 2014-01-27 17:59:56
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"
#134 2014-01-27 18:03:13
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"
#135 2014-01-28 05:42:15
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
42R | 16.5/34 | 34/30 | US 10D/UK 9.5E
"Horses, horses... horseshit!"
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#136 2014-01-28 06:23:04
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42R | 16.5/34 | 34/30 | US 10D/UK 9.5E
"Horses, horses... horseshit!"
“As honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.” - Raymond Chandler
#137 2014-01-28 08:39:20
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
The wisdom is in the middle.
The James Stewart's trousers are a real monstrosity (also the coat is ugly),and the Talon trousers in the advertisment above are too much tapered in my opinion (is also a matter of comfort).
Sure,between the two my choise is Talon silhouette for the life!
But a less tapered pants is better,and William Holden's trousers in Sabrina have the best widht for a trouser'suit.
Is classic.
#138 2014-01-28 10:00:10
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
Yes, I like the trousers in the Talon advert, too, and I'm not a fan of the baggy pants on Stewart's suit. My point was that our perception is governed by what's around us, by fashion, and today's fashion quickly makes us forget yesterday's fashion. We're used to the slim fit look, an exaggerated slim fit look these days, and so we tend to think of this very narrow cut as normal now for about 10 years, just like James Stewart's contemporaries in 1938 were used to a very full cut.
Avoiding the extremes is key to a classic look. Of course, what we regard as extreme and what we think of as moderate is also depending on current fashion trends. Thus it is helpful to get a historical perspective, too.
You make a good point about comfort.
Actually, I think that trousers (as opposed to jackets and shirts) can be slightly snug and short, as long as they're still comfortable. Tight and stiff and uncomfortable always looks wrong.
42R | 16.5/34 | 34/30 | US 10D/UK 9.5E
"Horses, horses... horseshit!"
“As honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.” - Raymond Chandler
#139 2014-01-28 19:16:38
#140 2014-01-29 00:36:46
#141 2014-01-29 01:18:25
- fxh
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
Keep in mind that back in the 50s 60s the average height of USA males was around 5'7" to 5'7.5"
Now it is around 5'9.5"
All other width/weight measurements - thighs etc have increased substantially.
Thus the average silhouette is rather different.
In essence with sketches - which show an exaggerated idealised body - not a real body - we are dealing with a different silhouette.
Squashing a modern day person into the same measurements or imagined silhouette - doesn't work as a simply scaled set of measurements.
Thats why vintage has an edge over reproductions - the reproduction or modern versions don't often take the trouble to look at the "LOOK" thoroughly and reinterpret it properly.
Measurements alone aren't enough - an artist and enthusiasts eye is also needed - a rare combination.
#142 2014-01-29 01:32:44
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Yeah but I'm talking about ratios.
#143 2014-01-29 01:33:17
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#144 2014-01-29 01:36:09
- fxh
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bop - i didn't see your post. I'm not argueing with anyone here. Well unless I am.
Heppie - I thought I was sort of making that point too.
#145 2014-01-29 01:36:28
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This is true but that classic cut is also found in BB makers. From a time when men were apparently slimmer.
#146 2014-01-29 01:38:28
#147 2014-01-29 01:45:17
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This is true fxh. If the idea is to balance the person's characteristics which most of time it is. But you can also dress to emphasise those features. Like WM does... but then he is a dork
#148 2014-01-29 01:46:13
#149 2014-01-29 01:47:00
- fxh
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
I agree lets face it WM is a total fuckin' idiot.
I think hes on some drug that makes you get trousers with higher and higher rise each month and higher and higher flood prepared trousers cuffs. Soon his trousers will be at his armpits and cuffs at his knees. I think its probably Dr Pepper , Twinkies and Funyuns* . I keep watching COPS thinking I'll see him one night being chased over that back fence of his, tasered, cuffed and tossed in the can.
* my Ms is obsessed with trying to get some Funyuns . She says - you know a lot of weirdos on the net - get some. I must admit they sound fun.
#150 2014-01-29 06:33:14
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Re: The famous Boom Years Ivy trouser taper
If I get arrested, it will be for kicking your Aussie ass, FXH. I've got to keep my pants short to keep from getting your blood and other stuff on my pants when I shove my size 8 El Salvador Weejun up your ass.
"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955