Film Noir Buff Style Forum / The Neat Offensive

Russell...Street · 2014-02-09 05:36:20

As quoted in "The Ivy Look":

"Be regular and orderly in your life like a bourgeois, so that you may be violent and original in your work."

("Soyez réglé dans votre vie et ordinaire comme un bourgeois, afin d'être violent et original dans vos œuvres.")

Letter to Gertrude Tennant (December 25, 1876)

Gustave Flaubert

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steve mcqueen fan · 2014-02-09 05:45:56

"I had enough of right wing pillocks who like the same clothes as me." Gibson Gardens (still love the book)

Bop · 2014-02-09 05:48:20

I think you guys have got yourself in knots. Modernism is too broad a set of ideas over too long a period of time to say it can't include the application of being conservative. The thing is the clothing that was popular through the 60 odd years of Modernism varied so much in term of styling to suggest a period of 5-10 years was conclusive of all of it is wrong. The mid century modernism that we think of with JS reflects strong conservative dress. Even though the music that gave favour to the fashion maybe deemed modern jazz. It was far more conservative than the rowdier and tougher sounds that preceeded it. In fact bands like MJQ working in the third stream really had a sense of the classic world.

formby · 2014-02-09 05:49:11

Russell...Street · 2014-02-09 05:50:40

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4F Hepcat · 2014-02-09 05:54:49

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Russell...Street · 2014-02-09 05:55:27

formby · 2014-02-09 06:02:14

I'm always taken by the conservative dress of people who claim to be modernists. However, if you re-read my post No.68 you will find a get out clause.

I was sloppy there, not for the first time....

I can't help but think that some of you are offended by the term 'conservative' Most if not all of us are conservative about some things, typically the things we love.

4F Hepcat · 2014-02-09 06:03:46

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Yuca · 2014-02-09 06:26:40

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4F Hepcat · 2014-02-09 06:27:36

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Bop · 2014-02-09 06:32:50

But it is conservative in contrast. Even take the brashness of big band swing compared to cool jazz. It is conservative, that's my point. I think formby is being too oblique with things. Modernism covers too long a period of time to draw the arguement he does.

Acton_Baby · 2014-02-09 06:53:58

4F Hepcat · 2014-02-09 06:59:57

^Nice one!

Yuca · 2014-02-09 07:01:31

Anyway, I have deduced that JJ invented the alleged incident. He mentions someone who is well dressed and works in education - conclusive proof that this never happened.

Yuca · 2014-02-09 07:02:58

formby · 2014-02-09 07:05:33

Acton_Baby · 2014-02-09 07:18:54

Yuca · 2014-02-09 07:26:35

Perhaps you're right, and it was the execution rather than the subject matter that was at fault. However I still doubt that the 59 race riots could ever make a good setting for a musical.

Yuca · 2014-02-09 07:27:57

Anyway, anything gay has to make a good musical, because all gays love to sing and dance. The French Revolution was camp too.

Race riots, not so much.

formby · 2014-02-09 07:40:05

What musical has been set during the French Revolution?

An Unseen Scene · 2014-02-09 07:40:46

I think we and all cultural commentators over analyse this subject. British soho based Modernists were an undefined impulse to embrace the possibility of what they perceived as modern in reaction to the traditional as evidenced by the trad jazz scene. These were young teenagers in the first phase of discovery, the definitions came later. I recommend reading 'Baron's Court All Change' by Terry Taylor. Essentially the person Absolute Beginners was based on giving a near autobiography in 1960. Look at the photos of him mixing with the artistic and high society with the intense sensibility that would be distilled into Mod later.

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