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#26 2014-03-19 09:41:35

stanshall
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Re: Tropical ivy

Tomiskinky wrote:

I really fancy a batik jacket for the summer, a bit of an alternative to the madras - I see H&J have one in stock, but I also saw the same one in the same size on Etsy. Shame it's way to big for me, as think this with a tropical weight truoser would look the nuts.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/151078008/ … avs_view_1

Batik was so the thing in the '50s and '60s in certain circles down here ..... long before the cute little embroidered creatures appeared on people's trousers there was a huge Indonesian influence here beginning in the 1920s and a taste for exotica that got a bit squelched as World War II receded into memory.

One of the Godfathers of Tropical Ivy, David Fairchild, whose books included Garden Islands of the Great East: Collecting Seeds from the Philippines and Netherlands India in the Junk 'Chêng ho. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1943) and The World Grows Round My Door; The Story of The Kampong, a Home on The Edge of the Tropics. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1947):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fairchild


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#27 2014-03-19 09:52:07

Harpo
The Best In The West
From: West Wales
Posts: 3394

Re: Tropical ivy

Tomiskinky wrote:

I really fancy a batik jacket for the summer, a bit of an alternative to the madras - I see H&J have one in stock, but I also saw the same one in the same size on Etsy. Shame it's way to big for me, as think this with a tropical weight truoser would look the nuts.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/151078008/ … avs_view_1

It says it's 80's on there - no idea some sellers have they!

I've got a 60's Batik I was thinking of parting with - what size are you after Tom?


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#28 2014-03-19 10:05:23

Tomiskinky
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Posts: 3047

Re: Tropical ivy

I'm a 38' Harpo, anything with a 17.5 shoulder is usually ok.

Just sent that link to a pal and it's been sold - someone on here maybe?


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#29 2014-03-19 10:16:59

Harpo
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From: West Wales
Posts: 3394

Re: Tropical ivy

That might do the trick - if you're interested I'll measure up and PM you sizing and photos?


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#30 2014-03-19 10:26:41

Tomiskinky
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Posts: 3047

Re: Tropical ivy

Cheers Harpo, the would be cool. Thanks.


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#31 2014-03-19 11:25:12

stanshall
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From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

http://retrospectivemodernism.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/batik.jpg?w=960


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#32 2014-03-19 12:35:20

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
Ivyist
From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 1170

Re: Tropical ivy

stanshall wrote:

Tomiskinky wrote:

I really fancy a batik jacket for the summer, a bit of an alternative to the madras - I see H&J have one in stock, but I also saw the same one in the same size on Etsy. Shame it's way to big for me, as think this with a tropical weight truoser would look the nuts.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/151078008/ … avs_view_1

Batik was so the thing in the '50s and '60s in certain circles down here ..... long before the cute little embroidered creatures appeared on people's trousers there was a huge Indonesian influence here beginning in the 1920s and a taste for exotica that got a bit squelched as World War II receded into memory.

One of the Godfathers of Tropical Ivy, David Fairchild, whose books included Garden Islands of the Great East: Collecting Seeds from the Philippines and Netherlands India in the Junk 'Chêng ho. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1943) and The World Grows Round My Door; The Story of The Kampong, a Home on The Edge of the Tropics. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1947):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fairchild

You really have to be in the right place at the right time with batik's, aloha's, et al... You REALY do!

Depending on where you are, you'll either look pretty cool, or just ridiculous?


“As I looked out into that night sky, with all those infinite stars, it made me realise how unimportant they are.”

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#33 2014-03-19 12:51:29

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
Ivyist
From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 1170

Re: Tropical ivy

Yuca wrote:

Also "Thunderball" shows some bits Ivy when Bond is on the Bahamas..

Connery's Bahamas wardrobe in Thunderball still looks cool today, although the skin tight skimpy shorts coupled with the loop collars slightly let the ensemble down.

Those kind of cut shorts were clearly of their time, which also made a comeback in the '80s... Especially in football.


“As I looked out into that night sky, with all those infinite stars, it made me realise how unimportant they are.”

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#34 2014-03-19 13:35:12

stanshall
Moderator
From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

stanshall wrote:

Tomiskinky wrote:

I really fancy a batik jacket for the summer, a bit of an alternative to the madras - I see H&J have one in stock, but I also saw the same one in the same size on Etsy. Shame it's way to big for me, as think this with a tropical weight truoser would look the nuts.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/151078008/ … avs_view_1

Batik was so the thing in the '50s and '60s in certain circles down here ..... long before the cute little embroidered creatures appeared on people's trousers there was a huge Indonesian influence here beginning in the 1920s and a taste for exotica that got a bit squelched as World War II receded into memory.

One of the Godfathers of Tropical Ivy, David Fairchild, whose books included Garden Islands of the Great East: Collecting Seeds from the Philippines and Netherlands India in the Junk 'Chêng ho. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1943) and The World Grows Round My Door; The Story of The Kampong, a Home on The Edge of the Tropics. (New York: C. Scribner's Sons, 1947):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fairchild

You really have to be in the right place at the right time with batik's, aloha's, et al... You REALY do!

Depending on where you are, you'll either look pretty cool, or just ridiculous?

I have seen batik and exotic print sport coats worn well by oldsters at parties ... pool parties with calypso bands and lots of hors d'oeuvres and snacks being served by cute catering girls walking around with trays and bars serving mojitos and rum drinks at both ends of the illuminated pool which is lushly landscaped with a jungle's worth of tropical plants and there are flaming torches and people are dancing and drinking and carrying on ....


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#35 2014-03-19 13:43:03

carpu65
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Posts: 1502

Re: Tropical ivy

Ivy tropical kit:

1-straw hat in this style:
http://s27.postimg.org/cbiglhmzn/IMG_1822.jpg

Poly-cotton sack suit:

http://s28.postimg.org/6x1rebpt9/AY0760.jpg

(accetable also a seersucker suit):

http://s4.postimg.org/wymdxwfkt/Cornell_Daily_Sun_June_12_1953_BB_ad.jpg

A shirt in a blend of Dacron and Egyptian cotton (button down,of course):

http://s30.postimg.org/w4u3up1f5/brookscloth1954.jpg

Madras tie:

http://s18.postimg.org/nl75979i1/KGr_Hq_R_n_YFJPFq3okf_BSc_Qv_QSj_B_60_57.jpg

Accetable also a madras bow tie:

http://s16.postimg.org/s4zvkn4xh/image.jpg

Tassel loafer:

http://s17.postimg.org/ce8d7gnlb/Florsheim.jpg

Your CIA identity card:

http://s10.postimg.org/mizt43pi1/cia_spyware_dulles_id_greying.jpg

Now,enjoy tropics.

 

#36 2014-03-19 13:44:33

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Tropical ivy

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

You really have to be in the right place at the right time with batik's, aloha's, et al...

Death to false propriety!

 

#37 2014-03-19 14:07:24

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen
Ivyist
From: Grace Brothers
Posts: 1170

Re: Tropical ivy

Moose Maclennan wrote:

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

You really have to be in the right place at the right time with batik's, aloha's, et al...

Death to false propriety!

And the birth to reality!


“As I looked out into that night sky, with all those infinite stars, it made me realise how unimportant they are.”

Peter Cook

 

#38 2014-03-20 06:18:14

4F Hepcat
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Posts: 14333

Re: Tropical ivy

carpu65 wrote:

Madras tie:

http://s18.postimg.org/nl75979i1/KGr_Hq … _60_57.jpg

Now,enjoy tropics.

Ah yes, the Madras tie is always a winner in the summer - you can sport one with heat impunity and still look cool under the sun.


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#39 2014-03-20 12:03:17

stanshall
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From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

4F Hepcat wrote:

carpu65 wrote:

Madras tie:

http://s18.postimg.org/nl75979i1/KGr_Hq … _60_57.jpg

Now,enjoy tropics.

Ah yes, the Madras tie is always a winner in the summer - you can sport one with heat impunity and still look cool under the sun.

Indian raw silk in repp stripes from J. Press circa 1982 ftw!


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#40 2014-03-20 12:34:45

doghouse
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Posts: 5093

Re: Tropical ivy

stanshall wrote:

longsleeved tees and flips

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/6105_1798934_10203335799741255_403361702_o.jpg



stanshall wrote:

Linen ...

untucked if it's not too sloppy is good

flip-flops


Cotton Madras

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/6105_1796921_10203335899143740_751226118_o.jpg




Yuca wrote:

Also "Thunderball" shows some bits Ivy when Bond is on the Bahamas..

All photos in Staniel Cay, where Thunderball was filmed.


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#41 2014-03-20 14:03:54

stanshall
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From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

Yuca wrote:

stanshall wrote:

... I wish O'Connell's would get the makers of their bathing suits to make in the US some old-school brass-clasp madras bathing suits but with front pockets with drainage holes and in the 8- or 9-inch walk short length, can't deal with the 5-inch Richard Simmons style of short shorts but I loves the brass-clasp style ....

quoted for truth ...

and a flap pocket that buttons in back ... in solids too ... please ....


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#42 2014-03-20 14:10:12

stanshall
Moderator
From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

doghouse wrote:

stanshall wrote:

longsleeved tees and flips

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/ … 1702_o.jpg



stanshall wrote:

Linen ...

untucked if it's not too sloppy is good

flip-flops


Cotton Madras

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/ … 6118_o.jpg




Yuca wrote:

Also "Thunderball" shows some bits Ivy when Bond is on the Bahamas..

All photos in Staniel Cay, where Thunderball was filmed.

http://animalstylehurricane.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/zach-galifianakis-flipping-the-bird-in-visioneers.gif?w=730


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#43 2014-03-20 14:11:25

stanshall
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From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

http://i.imgur.com/1hONEbE.gif


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#44 2014-03-20 14:20:05

Yuca
Member
Posts: 6918

Re: Tropical ivy

carpu65 wrote:

Ivy tropical kit:

1-straw hat in this style:
http://s27.postimg.org/cbiglhmzn/IMG_1822.jpg

Poly-cotton sack suit:

http://s28.postimg.org/6x1rebpt9/AY0760.jpg

(accetable also a seersucker suit):

http://s4.postimg.org/wymdxwfkt/Cornell … _BB_ad.jpg

A shirt in a blend of Dacron and Egyptian cotton (button down,of course):

http://s30.postimg.org/w4u3up1f5/brookscloth1954.jpg

Madras tie:

http://s18.postimg.org/nl75979i1/KGr_Hq … _60_57.jpg

Accetable also a madras bow tie:

http://s16.postimg.org/s4zvkn4xh/image.jpg

Tassel loafer:

http://s17.postimg.org/ce8d7gnlb/Florsheim.jpg

Your CIA identity card:

http://s10.postimg.org/mizt43pi1/cia_sp … reying.jpg

Now,enjoy tropics.

Very nice - but I just can't accept the idea of man-made fibres in extreme heat. Otoh, I worry that an all cotton suit would wrinkle too much. Dilemma . . .


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#45 2014-03-20 14:45:39

stanshall
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From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

/\ the all-cotton wrinkles like crazy but that's part of the look in a way ...

but linen even though it wrinkles is really comfortable to wear in the heat ....

in the blast furnace of the tropical day there is no material that will keep you cool but cotton/poly khaki and olive and navy poplin suits from Brooks were summer workhorses for years for Southerners  .... the all-cotton could get hot but the key is to have as little lining as possible ....

nobody ever wore their coats walking to the courthouse for a hearing on a summer day in the South or in the tropics, everybody would be carrying them folded over their arm or hooked over their shoulder, sometimes folded under their arm like a newspaper while carrying their briefcases ......

if you walk fast you sweat more, but if you go slowly the sun broils you ..... here is where the cotton handkerchiefs are deployed .....

all-cotton suits would be for parties and Southern weddings, while the poplin sacks would be for the office in the summer ... with penny loafers from Brooks (Sebagos from Maine), broadcloth, end-on-end, and lighter oxfords, I loved the Press Madralytes with flap pockets for the sunglasses a lot .... cotton ties and raw silk which had the essential dry finish ....

wear the shades while walking to lunch, keep them in the flap pocket while you're in the restaurant, put them back for the walk back to the office, Cuban coffee for everybody at 2:00 to combat the lunchtime nod from the bistec de pollo, moros, platanos y Materva

Last edited by stanshall (2014-03-20 14:53:59)


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#46 2014-03-20 14:57:19

Worried Man
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From: Davebrubeckistan
Posts: 15951

Re: Tropical ivy

Exceptionally relaxed looks Doggie.  But, big middle finger from me too.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#47 2014-03-20 15:07:06

chuck power
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Posts: 797

Re: Tropical ivy

4F Hepcat wrote:

stanshall wrote:

sunglasses: plastic nylon frames are a bit sweatier, thin wire framed Ray-Bans are cooler, but if you're getting into a salt-water situation like going out on the boat or going to the beach then the plastic frames are better as the metal frames don't do well in and around salt water or salt air.

This is good advice as plastic frames, especially with clip-ons will be sliding down your nose and falling off with the sweat and humidity. A pair of wire frames will make all the difference, a significant difference. Shuron Ronstrongs with clip-on shades are ideal when the heat is on.

The other factor is that you might have an idea of getting off the plane all crisp and plantation owner-like in your off-white cotton suit, but if you're not use to the heat, the suit won't save you and you will have been better in a short sleeve shirt. Also dressing for the occasion, outside of some select 5 star hotel resorts, no one will be hanging around the hotel bar in a suit or jacket, unless you bump into Allan Whicker in his blazer. Don't over dress.

As if by magic - saves me starting a new thread ! smile - anybody know of a reasonable (read cheap) source  for Shuron clip ons for the Ronsir ? Have seen them for sale with the frames - but since I have two pairs of prescription Ronsirs - seems a bit of a pointless extravagance ?


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#48 2014-03-21 00:57:56

stanshall
Moderator
From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 11020

Re: Tropical ivy

Yuca wrote:

....  I just can't accept the idea of man-made fibres in extreme heat. Otoh, I worry that an all cotton suit would wrinkle too much. Dilemma . . .

Brooks Brothers blue chambray 3/2 sack half-lined patch pockets sport coat or Brooks Brothers light blue oxford cloth 3/2 sack half-lined patch pocket sport coat, both circa 1982!  All cotton made in USA ... with khaki chinos, mid-gray lightweight tropical worsted trousers, pennies no socks in unlined cordovan or plain calfskin, striped ribbon belt, any decent buttondown collar cotton shirt out there, but I did it in striped broadcloth Makers or Troy Guild R. & O.Hawick labeled broadcloths from Andover or striped Madralytes from J. Press  .... own it ..... Caravans ....


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#49 2014-03-21 01:35:12

Yuca
Member
Posts: 6918

Re: Tropical ivy

Sounds ideal - except I'll never go socklesss (unless shoeless/in sandals). Broadcloth is lighter than Oxford/pinpoint afaik, so a good move. This thread has made me consider the need for a non-leather belt for the summer months.


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#50 2014-03-21 02:15:23

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: Tropical ivy

chuck power wrote:

4F Hepcat wrote:

stanshall wrote:

sunglasses: plastic nylon frames are a bit sweatier, thin wire framed Ray-Bans are cooler, but if you're getting into a salt-water situation like going out on the boat or going to the beach then the plastic frames are better as the metal frames don't do well in and around salt water or salt air.

This is good advice as plastic frames, especially with clip-ons will be sliding down your nose and falling off with the sweat and humidity. A pair of wire frames will make all the difference, a significant difference. Shuron Ronstrongs with clip-on shades are ideal when the heat is on.

The other factor is that you might have an idea of getting off the plane all crisp and plantation owner-like in your off-white cotton suit, but if you're not use to the heat, the suit won't save you and you will have been better in a short sleeve shirt. Also dressing for the occasion, outside of some select 5 star hotel resorts, no one will be hanging around the hotel bar in a suit or jacket, unless you bump into Allan Whicker in his blazer. Don't over dress.

As if by magic - saves me starting a new thread ! smile - anybody know of a reasonable (read cheap) source  for Shuron clip ons for the Ronsir ? Have seen them for sale with the frames - but since I have two pairs of prescription Ronsirs - seems a bit of a pointless extravagance ?

Go direct to Shuron.


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