You are not logged in.

#1 2014-05-21 04:20:02

woofboxer
Devil's Ivy Advocate
From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Common sense prevails as the Court of Appeal judge overturns a crown court judge’s decision to halt the trial of several men accused of a large scale fraud because no barristers could be found to take their defence on. Barristers are refusing to take complex cases on due to 30% cutbacks on legal aid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27501825

Well here’s a news flash for the lazy greedy twats…………….GOVERNMENT SPENDING CUTS ACTUALLY AFFECT YOU TOO!! 

So suck it up and get on with it like everyone else in the legal sector and public services has done. The reason you do all that studying and get qualified is to serve the law and justice……not just to wear a fancy wig, do a quick bit of reading before you go into court, stand up and say a few words, then cop a fat fee. Sometimes you have to do a bit of work for it.

Sorry to hear things are getting tough up at Grays Inn, if it gets too bad let me know and I’ll send you up a couple of cans of soup……….will I fuck!


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#2 2014-05-21 04:35:51

Kingston1an
Member
Posts: 4131

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

They have a right to withdraw labour same as anybody else.

Not all of them are on big wonga.

Incidentally, I was appalled to see that the lawyer representing Abu Hamza in New York was a man wearing an ear ring. Surely you could be struck off for that sort of behaviour?


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#3 2014-05-21 05:27:16

woofboxer
Devil's Ivy Advocate
From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Like most jobs their earnings are lower at the start of their careers but they rise up sharply as they progress. The big money is in commercial law, but those in other areas do very nicely thank you, I certainly never met a poor one. What I did meet fairly regularly over the years I was dealing with them was incompetence and indifference to justice and the victims of crime. This case is a good example where the accused have allegedly ripped off large amounts from private individuals, but the barristers aren’t concerned if they walk free, their main worry is that they should trouser a large fee for as little work as possible.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#4 2014-05-24 04:30:59

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Most criminal hacks at the bar have been on very small commons because legal aid rates were not increased after 1995. Now legal aid for crime has been cut right back and the criminal bar is totally finished. Michael Mansfield's set is closing down and others too. The trouble with many people is that they believe what they read in the newspapers and join the populist tirade against 'lawyers'. I am no great fan of them myself - but there are  many competent criminal hacks (whose income soon levelled out) who did a great job for little pay - and many of them were at the bar as a useful pastime. The trouble is that the peasants and various groups of chippy brothers and sisters have got onboard and tried to turn a vocation into a barrow-boy's trade. Constance Briscoe is a prime example.

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2014-05-24 04:32:21)


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#5 2014-05-25 00:47:20

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Once spent the evening chatting to a local lass who had been a criminal defence lawyer, but had moved over to the crown prosecution and had moved to Knutsford with it. She told me she had got fed-up with defending drugged-up and low-life scallies (aka chavs) who deserved to go down and the public be protected from their antics.

From my perspective, I think lawyers who knowingly use technicalities and legal tricks, to defend the guilty and get them-off, are actually no better than the filth they are defending. Everyone deserves a defense, but some don't deserve much of one.


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#6 2014-05-25 02:33:23

formby
Member
From: Wiseacre
Posts: 8359

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Everybody hates lawyers, until they need one that is...

The big money is in corporate as already said.


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#7 2014-05-25 06:37:25

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2014-05-25 06:50:01)


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#8 2014-05-25 07:56:23

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

The socialists do indeed soak-up fascism, and our politics and media wallows in impoverished Newspeak - we're already here if anyone hadn't noticed!


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#9 2014-05-25 08:05:18

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

 

#10 2014-05-25 16:37:02

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

I would just add that the argument that too many toe-rags go free because of 'technicalities' is an old chestnut but, at the  end of the day, as that policeman said about the Constance Briscoe case, the law is there to be obeyed by everyone. That includes the police and the prosecuting authorities and, if they cock-up a case to the extent that is fundamentally deficient, then it is right that the matter should be resolved in favour of the defendant - however 'undeserving' he may appear. There simply cannot be different rules for different cateories of defendants, just as there cannot be choices for doctors in deciding whether a patient is 'worthy' of treatment. Problems arise in c:-) riminal trials because of police incompetence and even corruption. Sorting out the criminal justice system would cost money and finding it, or money to retrench the NHS, would mean raising taxes and no political party will run with that line because it goes against modern spin-doctoring, as it might lose the toe-rag politicians votes.

Last edited by NJS (2014-05-25 16:41:27)

 

#11 2014-05-26 13:07:10

stanshall
Member
From: Gilligan's Island
Posts: 12991

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

/\ well put commendable observations, thanks NJS.


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#12 2014-05-26 14:14:01

woofboxer
Devil's Ivy Advocate
From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#13 2014-05-26 17:22:41

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Last edited by NJS (2014-05-26 18:16:58)

 

#14 2014-05-26 18:08:01

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Another point  is that the great economist Nigel Lawson should have thought about means-testing health care (apart from emergency treatment) and legal aid,. instead of becoming the architect of Thatcher's free-fall 'modern Britain'; for it was she, rather than Bliar, who led Blighty so far astray.

Consequently, anarchy, chaos, and mayhem loom. Poor old Blighty is in the throes of joining the Third World.

 

#15 2014-05-27 02:59:18

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

According to a recent UN report, Sweden will get the Third World status first.

I see that it dawned on Clegg: the anarchy, chaos and mayhem part, in those bloodshot eyes of his (see today's newspapers), as he realised that the gilded and protected elite establishment existence he thought was his by the right of an uneducated and ill-informed electorate has crumbled away into abject failure.. Long may his enlightenment cause him to suffer the long dark shadow of his pact with the devil!


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#16 2014-05-27 06:01:32

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

 

#17 2014-05-28 00:56:40

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

All eyes are on the Scottish vote!


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#18 2014-05-28 05:09:46

NJS
Member
Posts: 2358

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

 

#19 2014-06-04 00:05:52

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

This was good on Channel 4 News yesterday, the criminal justice system is basically grinding to a halt before it collapses:

http://www.channel4.com/news/hull-court-crisis-legal-aid-cuts-court-video


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#20 2014-06-04 04:49:28

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2014-06-04 06:57:36)


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#21 2014-06-04 05:33:51

woofboxer
Devil's Ivy Advocate
From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers

Things are so hard that the chair of the Criminal Lawyers Association can't afford razor blades!


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#22 2014-06-04 06:51:55

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#23 2014-06-04 06:54:41

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#24 2014-06-04 08:13:51

woofboxer
Devil's Ivy Advocate
From: The Lost County of Middlesex
Posts: 7959

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#25 2014-06-04 08:38:18

Dudley Clarke
Member
Posts: 1211

Re: More Hardship Heaped On Poor Lawyers


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB
© Copyright 2002–2008 Rickard Andersson