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#1 2014-09-02 03:52:39

Armchaired
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The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


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#2 2014-09-02 04:43:32

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

This is something I've been mulling for a while as a lot of vintage stuff I favour at this time of year to be 'on the border' of Americana and Ivy, I've kind of generalised it into what 'blue collar' workers would wear for work and 'white collar' workers wear for leisure - not a very accurate description but gives a broad 'ballpark' of my usual fall/autumn wardrobe.

Also the way an item is worn can mean it fits in a few 'categories'.
Pendleton board shirts are an example, although fitting in a few categories, the context they were worn in changes.
They were originally advertised as a warm winter shirt (tucked into your strides from the advert pictures, in a very 40/50s style with deeply pleated 'peg top' trousers )
but became a worn 'oversize' light jacket (in a Beach Boys style with hi-water tapered jeans and a t-shirt).


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#3 2014-09-02 06:10:49

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

Linking into the Levis thread, like their LVC 501s I consider myself 'inspired by' rather than 'reproducing' the look now, which makes it easier to move around the Ivy/Americana/Trad/50s modernist styles and create a blended look I like.

 

#4 2014-09-02 07:29:19

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

Speaking as an American, Americana is more classic American clothing, the stuff I used to wear like jeans and white tee's and Dickies, etc... Ivy is pretty geographically in time period specific.


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#5 2014-09-02 07:34:03

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

Americana is a very broad definition.  From Webster's dictionary: materials concerning or characteristic of America, its civilization, or its culture; broadly :  things typical of America

But I guess when I hear it in reference to clothing alone it does conjure images of jeans, work wear, loop collars, mackinaws, shirt jacs, work boots, hunting wear, etc.  Going by the above definition, you could argue Ivy is in fact a subset of Americana.  I'd guess not many people into Americana as a style believe the button down collar is significant.

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#6 2014-09-02 08:44:47

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#7 2014-09-02 10:49:17

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

I'd posit the penny loafer as a good example of an item that would fit into both categories.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#8 2014-09-02 11:02:00

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"I have about 100 pairs of pyjamas. I like to see people dressed comfortably."
Hugh Hefner

 

#9 2014-09-02 11:05:24

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"I have about 100 pairs of pyjamas. I like to see people dressed comfortably."
Hugh Hefner

 

#10 2014-09-02 11:23:13

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


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#11 2014-09-02 11:30:23

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

^ Poetry.


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#12 2014-09-02 11:48:03

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#13 2014-09-02 12:06:32

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

I mentioned this to Armchaired before, but until browsing clothing blogs and forums, I never applied the term Americana to a style of clothes, aside from maybe varsity sweaters and leather sleeved varsity jackets.  To me, Americana just brought to mind John Deere tractors, Burma Shave signs, Louisville Slugger baseball bats, and rocking chairs - stuff like that.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#14 2014-09-02 12:16:04

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#15 2014-09-02 12:24:44

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#16 2014-09-02 12:50:42

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#17 2014-09-02 12:53:53

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

And yes, well said, Stan.  You do have way of getting the point across.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#18 2014-09-02 13:03:33

formby
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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#19 2014-09-02 13:25:47

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#20 2014-09-02 13:29:53

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

Although Formby is right I think the point AC is trying to make is missed Americana and Ivy under their modern guises are two different schools of style.

I'd say they cross like Ivy and Prep do, but a keen eye for the details would make things clear in what camp someone resides. 

Ivy to me is the smart campus or business style relating to the soft shoulder.

I could wear some rhinestone tailored jacket and be Americana, clearly not Ivy. Bit then I could wear a bd and a pendleton and then there is a foot in both camps.

It's a fluid transition between the two because the original garments coexisted alond side eachother. But I suppose we have to expected the revisionist thing that goes on.

My current love is the 50s and 60s Americana that stretches to the Japanese Suntribe look and GI influence.

Ivy to me however is the non gimmicky classic style I use as a basis to add less future proofed Americana items to.

 

#21 2014-09-02 13:34:43

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#22 2014-09-02 13:35:12

Worried Man
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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

Yeah, plenty of guys mix and match the styles today, just as you would have likely seen a fair share of genre blending in many a man's wardrobe back in the heyday of the styles.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#23 2014-09-02 13:35:38

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Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#24 2014-09-02 13:37:44

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#25 2014-09-02 13:40:44

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Re: The subtle difference's between Ivy and Americana

What exactly is Japanese Suntribe?  Is that like putting a bunch of postwar American GIs and Japanese soldiers on a big ship together and having them trade clothes around?


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 
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