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#1 2014-11-09 10:19:58

4F Hepcat
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The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826810/Dark-secret-doomed-youth-Warrior-poet-Wilfred-Owen-died-hero-trenches-startling-evidence-unearthed-WWI-scholar-tells-different-story.html


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#2 2014-11-09 11:04:37

formby
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

I think the truth with these characters is more complex than the myth that surrounds them allows...


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#3 2014-11-10 03:06:36

Sammy Ambrose
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Smacks of sensationalism.

And he can't even quote properly from 'Dulce et Decorum Est'. He quotes: 'Gas! Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! - An ecstasy of fumbling,..'

The lines in fact are 'Gas! Gas!  Quick, boys! - An ecstasy of fumbling,..' in both manuscript and print.


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#4 2014-11-10 23:39:51

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

It's a hack job and the kind of progressive bollocks that we see all too much of these days. The recent Terry Teachout biography on Duke Ellington was the same, tried to discredit him as composer and man.

It is well known that Owen was gay, he had a bonafide crush on Sassoon and the collaboration and influence on Owen at Craiglockhart is well known. Owen arrived there with shell-shock and was stuttering having been under barrage for four days. My understanding is that shell-shock kicks in after 2.5 days of relentless bombardment, or there abouts. It is true that Owen left a vicarage after falling in love with a young man his own age, but Owen as paedophile and coward is a step too far.


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#5 2014-11-11 01:51:21

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Gosh, do you mean to say that they had gay people in those days as well? It it always looks so nice in old photographs.


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#6 2014-11-11 02:22:16

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

As I understand it, every male who was famous and is now dead was actually secretly gay. And there's a book to prove it for each one.

Maybe someone should do an expose about a famous dead male who turns out to have been not gay.


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#7 2014-11-11 02:28:16

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Re W Owen: the fact is until recent eras, people did not know how to respond to paedos (except ghetto style i.e. with violence, which those outside the working classes were usually able to avoid), so such behaviour was often swept under the carpet. It would be good to see these allegations disproved, but if they were true it is believable that his tendencies were never publicised or resulted in prosecution. I assume other historians will look at the evidence and comment on whether or not it stands up.


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#8 2014-11-11 11:16:02

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#9 2014-11-11 11:46:11

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#10 2014-11-11 12:09:12

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

This is the kind of exchange that the Daily Male generates.


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#11 2014-11-12 12:14:40

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


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#12 2014-11-12 12:22:41

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


If you aren't seeing through all three eyes at once day and night you are up shit creek without a paddle. The Shooman

 

#13 2014-11-12 12:37:53

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

It's his use of half-rhyme wot done it!


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#14 2014-11-12 12:46:18

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

He was a genius. I can't think of any other poet of any generation who has equalled  his skill in matching sound and sense.


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#15 2014-11-12 12:48:56

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

I don't know, like all war poets he was flawed by his subject.


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#16 2014-11-12 17:10:35

Dudley Clarke
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Er ... Byron. Er...Rupert Brooke. Establishment? Flawed? Held up? Discuss - all ye spotty youths!


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#17 2014-11-13 11:54:42

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#18 2014-11-13 12:02:44

formby
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#19 2014-11-13 14:57:19

Dudley Clarke
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Last edited by Dudley Clarke (2014-11-13 16:02:05)


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#20 2014-11-25 03:58:23

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#21 2014-11-28 12:39:45

formby
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Can art and artist be separated?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30245245


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#22 2014-11-29 21:00:23

Chévere
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History


Cógelo suave, pero cógelo.

 

#23 2014-12-30 16:38:14

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

To show how close the past is, Rupert Brooke was a friend of a friend of mine--the actor Reginald Pole. He had known Brooke at Cambridge. Of course, I was very young and Pole was quite old at the time we knew each other.

 

#24 2014-12-31 08:05:37

Incognito
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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

Such a shame that history doesn't exist.

Everything's an edit.

 

#25 2014-12-31 08:43:17

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Re: The Worse Kind of Revisionist History

I recall my dad saying, "The only true history is that of the person who lived it."


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