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#1 2014-11-14 04:31:28

Incognito
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The Horse ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjsYG5_yJSI

The great thing about Ivy is that it is such a working wardrobe, full of workhorse items.

Practical and sensible, it presents a kind of Anti-Dandy, Anti-Peacock form of Dandyism and Peacocking.

It says Yes to style by saying No to frippery.

Nothing is overly-refined.

Everything in the wardrobe has to earn its keep.

That's the Ivy sensibility.

No silk socks and frilly knickers.

So... ... ...

Name me your number one Ivy Workhorse wardrobe item ?

That item that grafts for you the most.

For me, at this time of year,  it's the basic, old school, dead flat Shetland. Forget the double-brushed or Shaggy Dog options. Go back to Shetlands as we knew them. Dirt cheap from BHS - Or even Peter Jones, if you were a bit hoity-toity.

The fluffy American Shetland was always considered a bit effeminate over here. Blokes don't wear fluff. It got overly-refined by the Americans in their bid to be more sophisticated than they needed to be to be Gentlemen.

When it comes to Shetlands, I like a flat white, no sugar.

You ?

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#2 2014-11-14 04:44:05

farrago
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Re: The Horse ?

It all starts with navy blue.

 

#3 2014-11-14 04:45:11

Incognito
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Re: The Horse ?

And how can you lose?

 

#4 2014-11-14 04:55:49

Senorservo2.0
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Re: The Horse ?

I like the brushed Shaggy Dog.

 

#5 2014-11-14 05:00:38

Incognito
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Re: The Horse ?

It certainly has its place. 
It's just alien to original old school Shetlands.
Old Shetlands would pill at the blink of an eye...
Was the American brushed up Shetland an attempt to fake that aged look from day one ?

We may never know ...

 

#6 2014-11-14 05:01:30

farrago
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Re: The Horse ?

I can't rehash Stan's fine deconstruction of Shetland colors in the Otter's Pink Shetland thread.

My progression with Shetland sweaters has followed this path: Start with navy, branch out into dark gray, dark red, and dark green. From there I consider the neutral or earth tones, e.g., lighter shades of gray,tan, brown, natural, etc.

Very few of the brighter or GTH colors work for me, except for cobalt or soft yellow on occasion.

 

#7 2014-11-14 05:05:18

Incognito
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Re: The Horse ?

Shetlands were for if you couldn't even afford Lambswool over here, back in the day...
Bring back that rough little knockabout sweater !
Bring it on home to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5usKhGz60

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#8 2014-11-14 05:12:06

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#9 2014-11-14 09:24:50

Worried Man
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Re: The Horse ?

This time of year - just layers.  Layers and layers of goodness.  Cardigans, shetlands, herringbone tweed jacket, nice thick OCBD.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#10 2014-11-14 09:46:42

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Re: The Horse ?

^ And something solid to keep your toes warm and dry.

 

#11 2014-11-14 11:52:43

stanshall
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Re: The Horse ?

I like the Shaggy Dog too and it's nice to have them in addition to the flatter unbrushed Shetlands ... the Shaggy has its uses, it's warmer (especially when new) as everybody who's one worn one knows, but they do flatten and pill and also possibly are a bit less durable than a flat plain Shetland ...

unquestionably J. Press's effort to dandify a somewhat generic staple

Shags being so fluffy can overstuff or get hung up in the sleeves of a sport coat which is why fall and winter coats should be commodious and why slim-fit tweed sport coats generally blow visually, practically and conceptually

under the sport coat one would generally go flat Shetland ... at the old game circa 1959 perhaps you'd wear a Shaggy under a stadium or other roomy overcoat/topcoat and possibly skip the sport coat?  possibilities were/are rife ... and maybe ripe too if vintage/thrift/eBay/Etsy anything is involved

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but the workhorse is your oxford buttondown shirt, followed by your khaki chinos, and then your shoes, which make or break you ....

blue blazer is key but unless you've got the ocbd with it you're drifting .....

crewneck Shetland is as key as the ocbd but less year-round ....

good guys wear crewneck Shetlands and ocbds ..... if you've got those then whether you wear khakis, jeans or cords is a bit secondary (excluding low-rise nuthuggers which would ruin the whole deal and make everybody queasy)

and don't ruin all the good effort with some shoes intended for minivan s o c c e r dads

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"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#12 2014-11-14 13:07:01

Joey
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Re: The Horse ?

I know the navy blazer is super ubiquitous as far as "staple status" goes but in the real world, I actually haven't experienced it as that useful an item. Its status among the most formal of odd jackets has never come into play for me. If a suit is necessary, I wear a suit. If a suit isn't necessary, I'd rather wear one of my tweed jackets. In my experience in this day and age, there aren't enough varying degrees of formality to necessitate a level of dress in between a suit and a tweed jacket and tie. But I'm sure others have had different experiences than I.

I think the OCBD is the workhorse. It's the only piece of the wardrobe for which there is no real alternative. There are several varieties of shoes in the canon, a few different varieties of trouser cut (sorta depending on your favorite Ivy decade), and everyone has different opinions on the most important defining characteristics of the Ivy jacket. But for nearly every clothing scenario, if there isn't an OCBD involved, it ain't Ivy.

 

#13 2014-11-14 13:29:22

woofboxer
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Re: The Horse ?

For me all good outfits start with a pair of surplus US Army underpants.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#14 2014-11-14 14:39:10

Worried Man
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Re: The Horse ?

^
Sounds like a spam post.


I'm with Stan, on the Shaggy being kind of a stand alone item.  I don't think I've ever piled a jacket on top.

Last edited by Worried Man (2014-11-14 14:40:18)


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#15 2014-11-16 01:54:32

Incognito
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#16 2014-11-16 02:12:10

Sidewinder
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Re: The Horse ?

^
sigh.

 

#17 2014-11-16 06:40:13

Incognito
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Re: The Horse ?

You a Blazer fan then, Mr. Sidewinder ?

How do you wear yours ?

I'm sure the jacket could be re-invented in some way....  It's just that for now, as life has changed, I wonder about its usefulness.

If you already have all the other jackets then having one makes sense just to ring the changes. But the old idea of it being the first jacket to get has to be long gone now.

No ?

 

#18 2014-11-16 07:20:25

Worried Man
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Re: The Horse ?


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#19 2014-11-16 08:04:09

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Re: The Horse ?


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#20 2014-11-16 09:47:22

Incognito
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Re: The Horse ?

Ah, but it's different in the USA.
You look great.
Different countries/cultures, different baggage.

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#21 2014-11-16 10:07:04

Yuca
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Re: The Horse ?

I disagree - it's what you wear. If WM got on a plane in that outfit, landed in Heathrow with similar weather conditions, and refused to speak so no one could discern his nationality, the look would be just as good.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#22 2014-11-16 12:21:53

stanshall
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Re: The Horse ?


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#23 2014-11-16 13:16:55

woofboxer
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Re: The Horse ?

^ the word


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#24 2014-11-16 13:23:17

Armchaired
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Re: The Horse ?

I use my Brooks Navy Blue Hopsack sack Blazer quite often, mainly at work.
On the contrary i feel like a winner in it.


�Careful with that axe Eugene.�

 

#25 2014-11-16 13:28:12

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Re: The Horse ?

Good thing you don't live in England.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

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