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#26 2015-04-26 05:45:28

chatsworth osborne jr.
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Worried Man wrote:

Too bad I can count myself out, as the smallest waist size is 32.

Same here.  And a few years ago a sales rep in their NYC store assured me that they would be adding smalled sizes because of the Asian market.

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#27 2015-04-26 09:34:39

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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

My chino strategy is as follows now: get myself up to the nearest outlet village with a Ralph Lauren store in - rummage through all the chinos and try on in my size and low & behold, I come across a couple of decent pairs with high-waist and tapered fit and buy them for around €30 a pair. Then with the aid of the Mother-in-law, have the RL blurb on the back surgically removed.

I also managed to get in the Dockers store recently, a very decent high waisted chino in their "Pacific" range which ticked all the boxes - tapered just right and high waisted. Nothing else in the store compared, I've been back since in the hope of a repeat, but it seems a one-off. They also had an excellent London Fog type rain coat in for €50, which I thought was madness on the price front and so immediately purchased.

Happy days at times in these outlet villages, you just need the right kind of eyes!


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#28 2015-04-26 11:10:47

Worried Man
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

colin wrote:

Update: post-wash measurement comes in at a Worried Man-worrying 11.5" rise.
Also the pockets 'flair' a little bit which is vaguely annoying.

Still looking for a pair ~13"-13.5 rise but I shall wear these whilst I search.

That's unfortunate, as I've gotta say, I think they look great in your pre-wash shot there.


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#29 2015-04-27 11:27:33

colin
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Boring post alert:

Post-wash.....

Worth noting that the back rise measurement on these is higher than my levis sta prest that have ~ 13" rise at the front.

Shall get them cuffed pronto.

EDIT: and if you're wondering, I've got a whole series of well-worn J Press socks available on ebay as we speak....

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#30 2015-04-29 01:23:38

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

They look fine to me on the photos. The rise could be just a little bit higher but that's okay. To anyone outside us Ivy nuts it probably looks high rise. wink

I have a few old Gap chinos that have a rise like that, maybe even a little lower. I could wear them two summers back, but now I'm too fat for them.

My favourite khakis right now are some baggy old Bill's Khakis (in standard khaki) from the old JS shop in Russell Street, and some RL Polo Classic Chinos (off white/ stone). I can also wear some RLP GI chinos and some old Land's End ones in a darker ("British Khaki"), and if I don't sit down for too long I can still squeeze myself in the JSA chinos that I got from the new shop in 2012. I had them shortened before washing, so they are a little bit high water but that's fine for dessies and chukka boots...


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#31 2015-04-29 01:40:01

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Apropos chinos, I remember reading one of the countless threads on Talk Ivy about the "ultimate" chino pants and someone, I think it was Hepcat, mentioned a certain Japanese brand which made a über-perfekt mucho authentico re-issue of WWII officer's khakis called "sun tans", IIRC. The colour was described as a proper khaki but with a slight touch of pink in certain light - not a real cherry pink like Nantucket Reds, they were described as a khaki hue just with a slight shade of pink in it. I'd be grateful for a photo!

And BTW: One of my pairs was pretty much ruined by jeans seams. Chinos should have cuffs or blind seams just like slacks. Unlike slacks/ trousers you can wear them frayed or rolled, but I think they look "wrong" with the typical jeans seams.


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#32 2015-04-29 09:14:28

Worried Man
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Hard Bop Hank wrote:

They look fine to me on the photos. The rise could be just a little bit higher but that's okay. To anyone outside us Ivy nuts it probably looks high rise. wink

Yes.  Even after the wash they still look decent.  Not perfect, but not bad by any stretch.  And as much as I like my O'Connell's khakis, I wouldn't characterize them as the perfect khaki either.


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#33 2015-04-29 10:01:11

Jdemy
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I am going to look into the navy version of these (yes, wrinkle-free, I know).  If I get them, I will post.

 

#34 2015-04-29 10:16:24

Turrentine
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I have just sent my pair of Orvis chinos back. It s a shame because I actually thought they were ok. well made, decent cloth etc, they just didn't fit at all well round my ass.

 

#35 2015-04-29 16:03:33

colin
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I'm now feeling every so slightly self-conscious about my arse.

 

#36 2015-04-30 09:49:34

4F Hepcat
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Hard Bop Hank wrote:

Apropos chinos, I remember reading one of the countless threads on Talk Ivy about the "ultimate" chino pants and someone, I think it was Hepcat, mentioned a certain Japanese brand which made a über-perfekt mucho authentico re-issue of WWII officer's khakis called "sun tans", IIRC. The colour was described as a proper khaki but with a slight touch of pink in certain light - not a real cherry pink like Nantucket Reds, they were described as a khaki hue just with a slight shade of pink in it. I'd be grateful for a photo!

They're the Buzz Rickson's authentic officer "pinks", they're much heavier than normal chinos and with a crease that is permanent, but really only a winter pants. Patrick has a pair too. They're a beigy-brown and yet, in the right light, they have pink quality to them. I haven't worn them this winter, as it hasn't really been cold enough.


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#37 2015-05-01 10:23:16

woofboxer
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Turrentine wrote:

I have just sent my pair of Orvis chinos back. It s a shame because I actually thought they were ok. well made, decent cloth etc, they just didn't fit at all well round my ass.

Sorry to hear that Turrentine.

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#38 2015-05-01 10:50:07

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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

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#39 2015-05-02 05:53:36

Turrentine
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

woofboxer wrote:

Turrentine wrote:

I have just sent my pair of Orvis chinos back. It s a shame because I actually thought they were ok. well made, decent cloth etc, they just didn't fit at all well round my ass.

Sorry to hear that Turrentine.

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yeah, it's disappointing, but you wear yours well - at least from this angle woof!

 

#40 2015-05-07 23:28:09

farrago
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

If I can muster up the energy to take a few selfies, photos may happen. Otherwise, my review is as follows:

Likes

~ Nice, hefty fabric. 9.5 ounces. That's 1 ounce more than OC's chinos.
~ The trim fit cut is nice. Slimmer than a Bill's M2 model, for example.
~ Leg opening is roughly 8 3/8"
~ Rise is approx. 11 1/2 inches yet it does not seem too short.

Dislikes

~ Asked for cuffs, only to get 1 " cuffs. What. The. Hell.*
~ Contrasting color stitching around the buttons. It's a detail only noticed by those of us with obsessive and retentive qualities.
~ Waistband cannot be altered.

* This has happened to me before with other suppliers. I anticipate the problem by ordering a slightly longer inseam. This leaves enough material to bring the cuff up to a more suitable 1 1/2" or even 1 3/4" as well as leaving some room for shrinkage.

 

#41 2015-05-08 08:03:47

Hard Bop Hank
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

4F Hepcat wrote:

Hard Bop Hank wrote:

Apropos chinos, I remember reading one of the countless threads on Talk Ivy about the "ultimate" chino pants and someone, I think it was Hepcat, mentioned a certain Japanese brand which made a über-perfekt mucho authentico re-issue of WWII officer's khakis called "sun tans", IIRC. The colour was described as a proper khaki but with a slight touch of pink in certain light - not a real cherry pink like Nantucket Reds, they were described as a khaki hue just with a slight shade of pink in it. I'd be grateful for a photo!

They're the Buzz Rickson's authentic officer "pinks", they're much heavier than normal chinos and with a crease that is permanent, but really only a winter pants. Patrick has a pair too. They're a beigy-brown and yet, in the right light, they have pink quality to them. I haven't worn them this winter, as it hasn't really been cold enough.

Thankee, Cat!

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Hmm, one might even argue that they're a different kinda thang, different from the chinos, another genre, if you want...


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#42 2015-06-18 07:19:24

Jeff Reed
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Worried Man wrote:

Hard Bop Hank wrote:

They look fine to me on the photos. The rise could be just a little bit higher but that's okay. To anyone outside us Ivy nuts it probably looks high rise. wink

Yes.  Even after the wash they still look decent.  Not perfect, but not bad by any stretch.  And as much as I like my O'Connell's khakis, I wouldn't characterize them as the perfect khaki either.

I just bought a pair of O'Connell's in white. They are superior all around to the Orvis. Trimmer fit. Higher rise. More true to measurement. The material feels better. I still like the Orvis, I'm not that picky, but O'Connell's wins.


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#43 2015-06-20 14:03:44

stanshall
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Jeff Reed wrote:

Worried Man wrote:

Hard Bop Hank wrote:

They look fine to me on the photos. The rise could be just a little bit higher but that's okay. To anyone outside us Ivy nuts it probably looks high rise. wink

Yes.  Even after the wash they still look decent.  Not perfect, but not bad by any stretch.  And as much as I like my O'Connell's khakis, I wouldn't characterize them as the perfect khaki either.

I just bought a pair of O'Connell's in white. They are superior all around to the Orvis. Trimmer fit. Higher rise. More true to measurement. The material feels better. I still like the Orvis, I'm not that picky, but O'Connell's wins.

my O'Connell's are great but the waists run a bit on the small side ... if you vary between two waist sizes, i.e., your weight fluctuates a little, size up, e.g., I go between 33 and 34 and lI'm glad I got the 34 ... I have a couple of pairs from the current stock and a couple from the past five years ... all were trim.  But there's always been ample material to let out in the waist if you need the room.

The rises are right, to me ... what else ... oh yeah made in the USA ....

I'm going to order another pair of O'Connell's in a 35 and then shrink and soften them in the washer and dryer four or five times and then have them hemmed or cuffed ...


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#44 2015-06-20 16:56:29

Worried Man
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I dropped a pair of OC's at the seamstress just today to have let out in the seat and waist a bit.  After a few washings they were just not cutting it.  Actually, they were doing exactly that: cutting into my waist and hugging my ass like Thee Captain after we've been apart for a few weeks.  Plenty of material to let out from the factory though.  This makes the second time I've had to readjust after washings with their khakis.  So Stan lends sage advice.  "Wut's at, Pete?  Flavor a chicken?"


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#45 2015-06-21 15:39:00

_XII_
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I would like to ask advice on O'Connell's plain front khakis sizing: For reference, Wrangler 13MWZ rigid jeans fit me perfectly at size 34 (waist) 33 (inseam). John Simons chinos would be perfect at size 33 (if such was available).

 

#46 2015-07-05 04:58:25

Armchaired
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

I have just ordered a pair of those Orvis Trim Fits.

I will report back on my findings.

I do own a couple of pairs of OCs so it will be interesting to compare.


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#47 2015-07-05 08:09:07

woofboxer
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

_XII_ wrote:

I would like to ask advice on O'Connell's plain front khakis sizing: For reference, Wrangler 13MWZ rigid jeans fit me perfectly at size 34 (waist) 33 (inseam). John Simons chinos would be perfect at size 33 (if such was available).

Size 34 Orvis should fit you as I fall into the 34 size in the above 13MWZ / Orvis comparison and own both.


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#48 2015-07-05 08:30:06

Tommy
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Shame they don't do darker colours in the standard ones?

 

#49 2015-07-05 09:02:09

woofboxer
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

Tommy wrote:

Shame they don't do darker colours in the standard ones?

Khaki or Field Khaki. You can't have blue khakis......wink


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#50 2015-07-06 10:30:43

Meehawl MacMurrachu
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Re: I believe in Orvis khakis!

This might be a dumb question but here goes ....

What sort of shade of khaki were most of the boom years khakis ?   

Were they the lighter side of things or more of a deeper tan shade ?

 

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