Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Spy Ivy.......Yale,the OSS, the CIA and Anglophile Ivy Roots.

formby · 2014-12-21 16:24:17

...and?

Lawlib · 2014-12-22 01:59:44

stanshall · 2014-12-22 08:39:01

4F Hepcat · 2014-12-22 08:48:28

It's a pleasure to see so many bald heads and agents with myopia on this thread.

I must say though, under these conditions, I am surprised I've never had a tap on the shoulder and been press-ganged into the service with "You're just the agent we're looking for....."

formby · 2014-12-22 11:52:54

stanshall · 2014-12-22 13:50:13

Armchaired · 2014-12-23 13:47:14

stanshall · 2014-12-30 19:07:22

stanshall · 2014-12-30 19:25:05

Briton Wins the Right to Publish Tale of World War II Espionage

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive/pdf?res=9403E5D9163DEF34BC4C52DFB767838A669EDE

An Unseen Scene · 2014-12-31 03:27:59

Re. George W. Bush "but he was advised to lose the buttondown collar as he prepared to run for president, or so they say ....."

That's fascinating. Is that because a button down shirt is seen as elitist or too informal? It's intriguing how a shirt style can say so much.

An Unseen Scene · 2014-12-31 04:39:59

This has been a great thread, highlighting to me the application of Ivy style to its ultimate utility:

The quiet execution of power to promote and protect the interests of the place* it originated from with the clothes enabling the wearer to be accepted, respected to those they seek to influence and invisible to the populace who pay for their services and in theory whose interests are the reason for the activities. This is comparable to, intersects with and is parallel to Savile Row as this thread shows.

Of course this is now a historical perspective, at a government level informality is a way of defusing tension, those who are being influenced will be suspicious of overt displays of style as a 'Western' developed world approach, the post WWII middle class operational staff have no training in style as of intrinsic value or as a tool. Further, a deliberate display of high quality, formal clothing is perceived as a gratuitous display of wealth, class or assumed status which is interpreted as bad manners, out of touch or elitist outside of the right circles. The times continue to be a-changing.

Worried Man · 2014-12-31 07:39:23

An Unseen Scene · 2014-12-31 07:50:08

I wondered if after the relatively young Clinton it was seen as too traditional.

stanshall · 2014-12-31 12:21:25

stanshall · 2014-12-31 12:23:25

stanshall · 2014-12-31 15:44:25

An Unseen Scene · 2014-12-31 16:29:19

I get an impression that English Saville Row style traditional clothing was at that time still the peak of aspiration for those at the highest levels of USA society. Was it seen as equal to, part of or superior to the USA Ivy take I wonder?

4F Hepcat · 2015-01-04 00:59:17

I think it's the same as football fans in the 80s returning from Europe with the local Lacoste gear or local football and tracksuit tops: it conveys status as one who has travelled. I could imagine that the US agents would consider that Saville Row items would give them the status of an operative who has spent time in London. Of course, you have some like Kennedy's dad before the war who couldn't stand the English, so I doubt he would have succumbed to the sartorial vices of Saville Row and English tailoring.

Armchaired · 2015-01-14 12:57:04

Excellent short video CIA: America's Secret Warriors: The OSS and Yale

(url=)http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/31288-cia-americas-secret-warriors-the-oss-and-yale-video.htm(url/)

Acton_Baby · 2015-01-15 02:28:03

^ nice find AC.

stanshall · 2015-01-15 10:56:34

GIZhou007 · 2015-01-15 14:24:52

Looks like a harvard tie on the guy with a chrome dome.

stanshall · 2015-01-15 14:54:09

could be ... they all look the same, a crest or shield from any school or organization .... we need to sleuth out the ID of that guy ..... then we'll know .....

until then it looks more like a Yale tie to me ... either way his jacket's pulling .......

stanshall · 2015-02-18 18:50:21

Jeff Reed · 2015-02-18 21:40:19

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