According to their official sizing page, M1 as an 11 inch rise, M2 10 inch, M3 9.25 inch.

I have a couple pairs of M3s. I wear them like jeans — on my hips. When I am in decent shape, it's a decent look. When I am carrying 20 extra pounds like now, I won't go near the M3. (I'm thinking muu-muu instead.)

I'm 5' 9", and have muscular but short legs (28.5 inseam, usually). I also have no rear end to speak of. I swim in M1s. M2 is the right cut for me.

The best cut of all for me was the old LL Bean Double L chino, before they brought in the Teflon-coated version. My last pair of those was relegated to "fish pants" status last year.

M2s are baggy, have you considered Orvis chinos Jeff?  Their Ultimate Khakis in the TrimFit are surprisingly good with an ideal tapered profile that is slender, but not overly so. They have a proper natural waist rise, my size34s measure at just under 12 inches. They're not US made unfortunately but the quality and construction are very acceptable. They have a deal running at present:

http://www.orvis.com/p/ultimate-khakis-trim-fit/12pf

Jeff, have you tried the O'Connell's khakis?  Since you're in the U.S. I strongly recommend you try a pair.  They're $99, excellent construction and fit IMO, and if they're not to your liking just send them back.

Last edited by Jeff Reed (2015-03-22 12:06:58)

Woof - did you get those online in the UK or in the London store ?

I forgot all about Orvis...was a bit underwhelmed by the new shop when it opened...think I was expecting more stuff...seemed to have less than Dover St??...well maybe not.....but certainly it was far pokier than I envisaged...

May just go in and mount the bear in a Bop stylee... even tho' I've never been one for sloppy seconds tbh...

Is it worth a stroll Woof or should I save my cash for The Lyric on Gt Windmill Strasse....?

Someone told me The Harp is all luverly again meanwhile.... Ding Dong......

Especially if you make your way up the outside of the building

#badooooomtssh