Its tricky enough finding the pictures of these people actually wearing the clothes for the activities...you're suggesting that other people were just bowling about in them...most people were still in morning suits..sometimes you can speak in absolutes...you just speak out your arse...your arguement has always been further down the line...during the boom..it falls apart the further you take it back because the clothes do become very specific and to a small group of people...I think you just let it go Jim because it doeant matter anymore..Chens is successful you're an exposed bull shitter of the highest degree...just go back to the rock under which you reside so we can actually have some decent posters back here who were in the large part there and living it..

Last edited by Bop (2015-05-29 05:52:08)

And I would have got away with it wasn't for them pesky kids!

Im summary before I sign off, Jim has always had to defend wearing Ivy to people such as Chens who always used it as leverage to claim some kind of birth right to its style and therefore knowledge...trouble is Chens was just someone who grabbed onto Ivy for that exclusivity, some kind of deep yearning to aspire to something he is not.. a bit sad.

This led to Jims whole BS about Ivy being more than the campus but it clearly is when you trace it back...its purely campus..the look on most part was set...it is the look of sport from a specific period...in those periods the dress away from sport was still very different...the catalouges I have from 1915 have a very broad range of styles...get through to the early 1920s the trousers were there...the shirts with their soft collars were there..all can be found in the Vanity Fair from that period..this is when it first had its time...then again away from the traditionalists in the 50s with the GI bill etc...Thats the deal...if its not show where else...I doubt you can

All you get is a sack jacket is French so Ivy's French? Everyone knows a sack is just a two piece..thats all it means...Ivy is Eastcoast campus and sports for the younger men of the 1910s and 20s...it was no where else

Last edited by Bop (2015-05-29 08:06:20)

Yes but saying the actions of people decades after it's inception changes the origins is absurd...Jim still wont admit that because I dont think he has ever bothered to look at it...you might get a photo lounge suit from 1890 and hank will say oooh or a German in a 3/2 roll from 1905 but..thats about it. Im not saying people should strictly observe who can wear ivy...its way past its roots...but it does have very clear roots that cant be denied..

Last edited by Bop (2015-05-29 08:45:43)

He was working for the mob aka the mafia.

I've heard that Brooks button downs went downhill after 1921.