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#1 2015-06-18 06:10:15

formby1
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The DB Chalkstripe...

What does it say, to YOU....?


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#2 2015-06-18 06:46:39

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Classic.


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#3 2015-06-18 06:51:59

4F Hepcat
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

A classic look, but too much at the mercy of fashion.


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#4 2015-06-18 07:35:49

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

4F Hepcat wrote:

A classic look, but too much at the mercy of fashion.

I've always felt that a grey flannel DB chalk in the winter is good no matter what the whims of fashion.


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#5 2015-06-18 08:27:55

4F Hepcat
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Likely it is a UK and continental thing, but from my perspective the DB and especially in chalkstripe is very much and in or out thing.


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#6 2015-06-18 09:10:42

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Fashion is a Western European creation. Without fashion, you have no movement in clothing and without movement in clothing, you cannot produce the so called "classics". Compared to what most of the world has worn for most of civilization, the suit is very much a fashion item.

It's interesting concerning plainness and variety in mens clothing. it seems like during the eighties and nineties, a lot of choice disappeared for men in terms of texture/patter/color/cut/details and what was left (Perhaps a result of manufacturing ease desired by the clothing industry) became "Classics".

Heres a picture of Don Knotts in a pin dot print shirt. A shirt that is enjoying a revival now but wouldve been considered outre just a few years ago.

http://popculturesafari.blogspot.com/20 … notts.html


Anyway, in the USA a double breasted chalk stripe is in no way a classic. It would be considered a very stuffy, fancy suit. I like the look personally but it is overkill and one would find people so overly interested in the style that it would fall from grace from the Classics Cloud. Part of what men mean when they describe an article of clothing to be a classic seems to be that it's well done but unremarkable and completely defensible (In the sense that no one can find fault with it).


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#7 2015-06-18 09:30:45

formby1
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Film Noir Buff wrote:

Fashion is a Western European creation. Without fashion, you have no movement in clothing and without movement in clothing, you cannot produce the so called "classics". Compared to what most of the world has worn for most of civilization, the suit is very much a fashion item.

It's interesting concerning plainness and variety in mens clothing. it seems like during the eighties and nineties, a lot of choice disappeared for men in terms of texture/patter/color/cut/details and what was left (Perhaps a result of manufacturing ease desired by the clothing industry) became "Classics".

Heres a picture of Don Knotts in a pin dot print shirt. A shirt that is enjoying a revival now but wouldve been considered outre just a few years ago.

http://popculturesafari.blogspot.com/20 … notts.html


Anyway, in the USA a double breasted chalk stripe is in no way a classic. It would be considered a very stuffy, fancy suit. I like the look personally but it is overkill and one would find people so overly interested in the style that it would fall from grace from the Classics Cloud. Part of what men mean when they describe an article of clothing to be a classic seems to be that it's well done but unremarkable and completely defensible (In the sense that no one can find fault with it).

Interesting, I thought you wore them often? Have you put yours in semi-retirement?

...I'm about to re-introduce them to Britain...wink


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#8 2015-06-18 09:54:49

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Film Noir Buff wrote:

Anyway, in the USA a double breasted chalk stripe is in no way a classic. It would be considered a very stuffy, fancy suit.

This.  And I rarely ever see it, much less actually worn well.  It can be a good suit, but I just never see it worn by anyone that seems to have any semblance of a clue.


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#9 2015-06-18 10:00:37

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Film Noir Buff wrote:

Anyway, in the USA a double breasted chalk stripe is in no way a classic. It would be considered a very stuffy, fancy suit. I like the look personally but it is overkill and one would find people so overly interested in the style that it would fall from grace from the Classics Cloud. Part of what men mean when they describe an article of clothing to be a classic seems to be that it's well done but unremarkable and completely defensible (In the sense that no one can find fault with it).

I certainly would agree that most of the US wouldn't see it as classic, but I can honestly say I don't think I've ever been to London and not seen a few DB flannel chalks, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I wouldn't consider the use of classic as you've described above, but I certainly see that quite often on the interwebs. I generally think ubiquitous combined with longevity and a certain level of refinement is what defines classic to me.


formby1 wrote:

...I'm about to re-introduce them to Britain...wink

See above.


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#10 2015-06-18 10:21:24

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

This to me is the quintessential DB dilemma:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/thumbs/1439_images.jpg

Looks absolutely classical, refined and urbane, and yet it is still a silhouette that encapsulates the 1940s and brief six-month periods of the 1980s.

Last edited by 4F Hepcat (2015-06-18 10:23:53)


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#11 2015-06-18 12:49:13

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Gotta relax them shoulders man.


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#12 2015-06-18 12:52:01

Bop
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

4F Hepcat wrote:

This to me is the quintessential DB dilemma:

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/ … images.jpg

Looks absolutely classical, refined and urbane, and yet it is still a silhouette that encapsulates the 1940s and brief six-month periods of the 1980s.

Is that Grace Jones'?

 

#13 2015-06-18 13:04:53

formby1
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...


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#14 2015-06-18 13:07:26

Bop
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Thinks she's James Brown at the beginning there

 

#15 2015-06-18 21:05:48

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

doghouse wrote:

Film Noir Buff wrote:

Anyway, in the USA a double breasted chalk stripe is in no way a classic. It would be considered a very stuffy, fancy suit. I like the look personally but it is overkill and one would find people so overly interested in the style that it would fall from grace from the Classics Cloud. Part of what men mean when they describe an article of clothing to be a classic seems to be that it's well done but unremarkable and completely defensible (In the sense that no one can find fault with it).

I certainly would agree that most of the US wouldn't see it as classic, but I can honestly say I don't think I've ever been to London and not seen a few DB flannel chalks, and I'm not being hyperbolic. I wouldn't consider the use of classic as you've described above, but I certainly see that quite often on the interwebs. I generally think ubiquitous combined with longevity and a certain level of refinement is what defines classic to me.


formby1 wrote:

...I'm about to re-introduce them to Britain...wink

See above.

I think one of the problems the DB suit suffers from in the USA, is that it is rarely available RTW, which means the younger guys dont wear it, which means if you're wearing it, you're an older man. Not a problem but in a youth oriented culture, the button stance is avoided. Its an instance where a nice look and quality can get you a reaction you may not want.

I own several DB chalkstripe suits.


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#16 2015-06-19 07:56:02

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

You are probably on to something there. The US obsession with youth manifests itself in many ways.


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#17 2015-06-19 13:04:46

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Very English correct attire. I like it. I saw a picture of an Italian bloke in a sloppy soft shouldered one the other day, with peak lapels that lost the biz impact. I liked that as well.


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#18 2015-06-19 14:08:13

Joey
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

If I had an appropriately formal occasion, I'd wear one kind of like Miles's:
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/thumbs/8930_miles_davis_double_breasted1.jpg

But the vast majority of the time, they certainly are overkill in the US. I wouldn't get a lot of wear out of one, in no small part because I would look even more out-of-place than in my usual getup.

However, the DB might experience a resurgence in popularity with the recent movie "Kingsman: The Secret Service." It was released alongside a line of clothes inspired by the film at Mr. Porter, including some pinstripe DB suits which are prominently featured in the film.
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/thumbs/8930_da49b289-71bc-407c-a6d1-ed581e3992fe-620x372.jpeg

"Kingsman" already has a "Mad Men" effect on fashion-fickle #menswear types, and this effect might soon trickle into the general public (even in America, where the film has been successful).

Here's the collection:
http://www.mrporter.com/mens/designers/kingsman

Last edited by Joey (2015-06-19 14:09:37)

 

#19 2015-06-19 14:17:22

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

That mrporter site has some of the most expensive RTW clothing I think I've ever seen.  $630 for slim fit corduroy fashion pants?!!  Washed cotton blend chinos $480!  Wool trousers $890?  Cotton blend "biker" trousers $895?  HA!  I must be in the wrong line of work.  These track pants, for a mere $945 really must take the cake however.
http://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens/loro … nts/197165


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#20 2015-06-19 14:22:07

Joey
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

The latest trend I'm aware of has been white sneakers. Everybody who's anybody has them and they have to be from this one brand or you don't get to be in the fashionista club. Don't remember the name but I think the price tag is about $500. Reasonable for shell cordovan, not so much for canvas.

Last edited by Joey (2015-06-19 15:02:50)

 

#21 2015-06-19 14:32:32

formby1
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Anybody who wears trainers with a suit warrants a severe beating...

...OK, a clip 'round the ol' ear 'ole at least...!!!


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#22 2015-06-19 14:54:39

doghouse
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Worried Man wrote:

That mrporter site has some of the most expensive RTW clothing I think I've ever seen.  $630 for slim fit corduroy fashion pants?!!  Washed cotton blend chinos $480!  Wool trousers $890?  Cotton blend "biker" trousers $895?  HA!  I must be in the wrong line of work.  These track pants, for a mere $945 really must take the cake however.
http://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens/loro … nts/197165

They are absurd generally, but the sales are pretty decent.


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#23 2015-06-19 15:07:39

formby1
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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

How would we 'rock' the DB chalkie... Shirts, ties &c....?

Last edited by formby1 (2015-06-19 17:54:22)


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#24 2015-06-19 17:49:06

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

Di Preta.
A great Florentine tailor.

http://s2.postimg.org/60v3tjme1/sartdipreta2.jpg

  http://s18.postimg.org/c5lbprhuh/sartdipreta14.jpg

 

#25 2015-06-19 19:50:31

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Re: The DB Chalkstripe...

formby1 wrote:

How would we 'rock' the DB chalkie... Shirts, ties &c....?

A white shirt is always good, however I always feel a stronger color or pattern is a better counterbalance to a strongly striped suit.

http://www.acornfabrics.com/fabrics/all … -nne-coral

http://www.acornfabrics.com/fabrics/all … re-gac-red

http://www.acornfabrics.com/fabrics/all … ing-ap-red

And then I would drop a Duchamp or VanBuck tie from their Limited edition ranges on top, but thats just me.

http://www.vanbuck.com/index.php/limite … es/?k=:2::


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