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#1 2015-07-21 11:43:02

Bop
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Black Gypsies

Doing a bit of reading up on the African origins of the Celtic people..

The term Gypsy has often been described to have come from a shortening of the noun Egyptians which I never really understood until now. So it appears your Celtic blood is very much north African unlike the Indo-european DNA, Celts are proto Europeans who derive from North Africa.. And didn't migrate via India unlike the rest of the European migrations

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/articles/african-roots-of-ireland/

This would account for why my Nan looks Jamaican, and why I can grow a pretty decent fro.

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#2 2015-07-21 12:37:16

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#3 2015-07-21 14:17:02

Harpo
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Re: Black Gypsies


Randy lower-class trifler

 

#4 2015-07-21 14:30:08

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Re: Black Gypsies

I saw a similar thing.. It appears they fed into Scotland from going up and around the Ireland..

 

#5 2015-07-21 14:39:04

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Re: Black Gypsies

So they did...

 

#6 2015-07-21 15:42:54

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#7 2015-07-22 03:04:31

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Re: Black Gypsies

The Afro-Celt Sound System were big on this theory and presented it in their music quite well.


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#8 2015-07-22 03:24:06

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I have read a bit about the pentatonic scales that are present in both West African and Celtic music...to be fair Pentatonics are used the world over..but there is a bit of scholarly work on it...also the languages cross at some point with the proto Europeans and North Africans

 

#9 2015-07-22 03:32:45

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#10 2015-07-22 04:38:46

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#11 2015-07-22 04:43:11

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Re: Black Gypsies

"Prognathous" is a new one for me.

Mel Smith and Griff Rees Jones spring to mind. Mel was not a Celt as far as I am aware.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#12 2015-07-22 05:22:38

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What people think of that lineage doesn't actually detract from the genetic markers. Which are clearly evident now..by relations of the Basques and Iberians...Irish genetics mainly comes from a separate branch to Indo Europeans..and that spilt is north west Africa

In fact the marker is prevalent in 90 percent of Irish men , 80 percent in the Welsh and 75 in Scottish..which is why Harpo is so god damn funky

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#13 2015-07-22 05:57:35

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I think you will find the Irish are mostly descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages.

Ghengis Khan for much of the rest of Europe.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#14 2015-07-22 06:40:22

Bop
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So scientifically advanced genetic dective work is trumped by folklore...good work Kingy.. !

 

#15 2015-07-22 07:11:04

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#16 2015-07-22 07:20:28

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Probably Brian Boru too in my case - with such close connections the The Banner County - but the DNA is not so clear for Brian.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/the-genetic-imprint-of-niall-of-the-nine-hostages-1.1771373


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#17 2015-07-22 07:38:41

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Re: Black Gypsies


Randy lower-class trifler

 

#18 2015-07-22 07:44:01

Bop
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Ok but you realise that's 6th century?

 

#19 2015-07-22 08:17:31

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#20 2015-07-22 17:30:46

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"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#21 2015-08-13 00:24:59

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A bit more to add,

There is genetic and linguistic evidence that proves that the Celts were Black or African people. An examination of the language spoke by the Basque has a Niger-Congo substratum. C.J.K. Cambell-Dunn has found a Niger-Congo substratum in Basque .(9)

Dr. Cambell-Dunn found that the Niger-Congo and Basque languages share personal pronouns, numerals and vocabulary items.

There is also genetic evidence linking the Basque and Niger-Congo speakers. Both groups share SRY10831.1, YAP, M2,M173(xR1a,R1b3), E3*-P2, E3b2-M81 . (10)This linguistic and genetic evidence supports the African origin of the Celts.

 

#22 2015-08-23 17:56:36

sonofstan
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Re: Black Gypsies

Irish radical Marxist filmmaker Bob Quinn proposed something similar in his 'Atlantean' series of films made for RTÉ in the early '80s - not totally convinced meself...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantean_%28documentary_series%29

 

#23 2015-08-24 00:32:17

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#24 2015-08-24 00:57:24

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I can see what this is coming round to Bop, you are going to claim to be a distant relative of the Kennedys. Old money, New England lineage, so you have a 'right' to wear ivy clothing while the rest of us are just misfits living out a college boy fantasy.


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#25 2015-08-24 00:59:29

Bop
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Oh come on Woofy, he's Nouveau riche!

 

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