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#26 2015-08-21 14:11:59

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Re: And so ... Define me an "Ivyist" ?

Well I for one love it.

 

#27 2015-08-21 14:25:51

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"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#28 2015-08-21 16:37:25

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#29 2015-08-21 17:07:58

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"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#30 2015-08-21 17:45:28

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Re: And so ... Define me an "Ivyist" ?

So is Trad the same as preppy then? Or is prep more of a yoof ting, and ting?

And what does "current traditional" mean? Wasn't it traditional 10 years ago? Does it mean it won't be traditional in 10 years either?








Not that I really care. I'm still boxing the "Italian Ivy with proper English shoes (but sometimes American as well)" sub-niche corner myself.


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#31 2015-08-22 16:47:41

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#32 2015-08-22 16:59:30

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#33 2015-08-23 02:14:50

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I wonder if the concept of classic even existed in 1955. I have my doubts.


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#34 2015-08-23 02:35:37

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Well...funny you should say.. I never really considered fashion working retrospectively till recently ie the last last 30 odd years, but in my Hart Schaffner Marx catalouge from 1915 there are some double pages deicated to overcoats and other garments based on style from 1830..going from memory..I know that's not 'classic' but I think there has often been garments that transcend time and they've always inspired designs. Keds for instance introduced in 1935? By 1955 thats 20 years down the line, does that make them a classic? How long till something is a classic? 25 years? The LL bean duck boot wouldve been a classic by then.

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#35 2015-08-23 03:27:21

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Re: And so ... Define me an "Ivyist" ?

Really? You've never seen a link between 1920s fashion and the 60s?


Sorry, not fashion, I mean classic traditional clothing. Which is, needless to say, any clothing that doesn't go to the extreme of a periods more daring fashions.


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#36 2015-08-23 03:55:21

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This is the thing, do you call that traditional or classic? When I think American Classics I think 1940s/50s like it's almost a term just for that period. Where as Traditional makes me think further back to the turn of the 1900s

 

#37 2015-08-23 04:15:44

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To subjective and inane to even be bothered to think about it TBH. Classic and traditional current American menswear...too much of a gob-full for me...I'm just gonna call clothes that most people wear in 2015 as fashionable.


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#38 2015-08-23 04:57:18

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Excatly...why even consider anything?

 

#39 2015-08-23 05:20:21

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Well, if you stop me in the street and asked me to comment on ISIS or the NHS for a survey I might have an opinion to give. But on 1920s fashion being traditional or classic, chances are I'd tell you I don't have time to spare. Unless you were blond with nice hooters, hot pants and called Roxy, Suzi or Reanne or some other slutty name.


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#40 2015-08-23 05:26:31

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You're discussing it now though.. Im not sure excatly what may be achieved by it. But interesting for some of us I guess (well maybe not many).

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#41 2015-08-23 05:55:15

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It would seem so.


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#42 2015-08-23 05:57:04

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Classic come back

 

#43 2015-08-23 06:15:21

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Ok, Ok! I can see you want an opinion on it. In the 1920s it wouldn't have been considered either, more likely to be considered a bit Rakish. For sure womens modern fashion as wore by Flappers was considered risk-a. The tweeked 20s fashion of the 60s wouldn't have even crossed the mind of the buyer that it took its lead from 20's fashion I presume. I wouldn't say that either period was traditional or classic in clothing or in any sense of the word. Both decades were quite radical in social change in western culture. I wouldn't say that a slim jim (for instance) is a trad or classic tie, (for those not interested in period dress) merely an option. I would say that an 8-9cm blade 7 fold is a classic and trad. The 30s is a classic period of dress IMHO. But thats just me. I really do believe in 80 years or so though people will look back on 2020-2030 when Italian Ivy dominated mens fashion and say that that was a classic period. I'm pretty sure that someone will write a book on Verr, Brody and GW and how they dragged the kids away from mundane and dull mass produced preppy fashion with a modern modernist vibe that was hip and cool but broke with how the establishment thought the kids should wear soft shoulders and button down shirts. When the parents called Verr immoral for rolling up his chino's little did they know that those avant-garde few who dug the look would be the pioneers of a movement for a whole generation that would become defined as "Italian Ivyists".


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#44 2015-08-23 06:18:28

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Good luck with that!

 

#45 2015-08-24 09:17:51

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#46 2015-08-24 09:24:31

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#47 2015-08-24 09:32:18

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#48 2015-08-24 09:38:34

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"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#49 2015-08-24 10:29:50

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#50 2015-08-24 12:05:38

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