So, we're side tracking the bleedin' madras thread, lets discuss how realistic the idea we've all been bouncing off each other for months is?
First up, what do we want?!
Second, who will make them? Hertling, Camerton, any other ideas (note: ideas from any incarnation of Jim will be ignored)
Thirdly, how could we fund it and how could we import it to the Europe without massive import duties?
I may be willing to just pay to make them without any of that crowd-funding kickstarter stuff. I see the benefit of that model, but I'd almost just rather take the risk and try my luck selling 30 - 60 pairs. I'm not even interested in making money at first, just as long as I don't completely loose my ass. Breaking even would be an initial success in my mind.
I want them in Navy, an interesting shade of Khaki and Olive, with a 12-12.5" Rise, 33W and 28.5 leg, 7.5-8" at the hem.
On-seam or offset pockets?
Full-length zipper fly is a must, IMO.
Need to have the option of finishing and cuffs.
12.5" rise on waists up to 32 - 33? Then 13" rise on 33 - 36? And so on.
Can I request each interested member to post their waist and inseam?
I think unfinished would be best, that way you have the choice to cuff or not.
I have a lack of navy in my closet so they would be a priority.
31 - 32 waist.
Make sure you got a couple 38x30s in there for me. And I vote for offset pockets.
30 waist, 30 inseam. What kind of price are we talking here?
All well and good but this isn't going to work as MTM service,
a basic chino in one colour is probably the best starting point.
Tommy if you want 7.5-8" hem on a pair with a 28.5" inside leg you'll probably need to taper them yourself, as it would mean the 32" leg would have to be a 6.5" hem to avoid them looking like jodphurs ( you need to preserve the taper as if they are parallel from 27" on the inside leg down they will have a pronounced 'jodphur' effect when worn ).
Hertling aren't the only option, but they are the only maker who have something very close to what we want already in their range (so no pattern making costs).
Cramerton isn't a clothing maker , Cramerton Cloth is a Gayley and Lord product used originally for military uniforms and then later civilian chinos.
Maintaining a close-to-perfect taper across sizes, especially inseam, seems to be the tricky aspect.
I foresee a couple of different ratios of taper, applied to various inseam options.
30x29: With a 7.5" leg opening please. In Olive and Navy. Offset pockets. Zipper and rivet-style jean button please.
(But an unfinished length with 8" hem would suffice. So I can get them cuffed this side of the atlantic)
And they'll be here tomorrow, right?
Last edited by Chief Brody (2015-11-19 10:13:15)
I predicted your requests, and they're already in the mail. How's that for service?!
Perhaps 7.5 - 7.75" hem width on smaller waist sizes and an 8" hem width on larger sizes?
Well, as Tommy requests, everyone just dump ideas in here for a while and let's see where we stand in a few days. We'll obviously need to offer something with a lace crotch to accommodate Thee Capitan.
In fairness, if a pair of trousers are good to the knee- then I am happy, as I almost always have some alteration made. Cuffs, taper, hem-job (ahem! whahey!)…etc. You dig? So chill on the taper, Son!
Yeah, I rarely opt for any finishing, so I'm with you there.
Yeah i think concentrating on the things that cant be altered later allows for a lot more scope..
Theres a book you might want to read about co-operatives..
I've shrunk a bit, due to standard aging stuff, but I'm a 34W-29I and I ALWAYS have my casual trousers tapered to 7.75" at the leg opening. I have – umm – LOTS of Khakis, but I'd be good for 5-6 pairs if the specs were right. I vote here for Stone, which is my primary Khaki color.
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