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#1 2016-04-25 23:30:56

Bop
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The Beatles Thread

A quite fancy a Beatles discussion thread, with all the cliches.. please state your favourite Beatle before posting...with reasons as to why

Topics we can include..

Did Epstein wank off John is Spain..?

Did McCartney practice the dark arts?

Is The Magic Christian a waste of celluloid ?

Anyway, my favourite Beatle is George Harrison. Because he didnt write Imagine or decide to create a band called Wings.

In all seriousness he was a cracking song smith and musician, All Things Must Past is a great album and definitely the best work by any of them post-Beatles in my opinion...also his songs with the group like Here Comes the Sun, Northern Song, All Too Much, Within You Without You and Taxman are some of the ones I can actually listen to regulary without getting bored.. the other two Lennon and McCartney  could write stuff with instant appeal but it soon grates with constant listening ..

I think Paul probably had some of the most natural ability with playing and writing I think its his vocation. But Ringo had a bit of magic about his playing too some very groovy stuff falls out of him without much effort. Its just they all needed each other to get the best out of them whilst George got better away from the other guys I think..

He also had a good spell at Liverpool and went on to manage Newcastle United...or was that Kevin Keegan?

http://www.ymskrecordings.com/audio_files/george_harrison/George_Harrison_1.jpg

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#2 2016-04-26 02:56:35

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He was suitably Delphic about his football preferences, saying something along the lines of "There are three football teams in Liverpool and I support the fourth."

Having been a Lennon man in my younger years - like many disaffected youths, I bought into his edgy shtick -  McCartney is now my favourite Beatle. (Inasmuch as I have any feelings on the issue.) Coincidentally, I was reading this yesterday, which makes a pretty good case for Macca.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … lodic-gift

 

#3 2016-04-26 04:35:37

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Macca is very good at putting over an emotion

 

#4 2016-04-26 05:11:28

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McGeorge Bundyburger wrote:

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He was suitably Delphic about his football preferences, saying something along the lines of "There are three football teams in Liverpool and I support the fourth."

Having been a Lennon man in my younger years - like many disaffected youths, I bought into his edgy shtick -  McCartney is now my favourite Beatle. (Inasmuch as I have any feelings on the issue.) Coincidentally, I was reading this yesterday, which makes a pretty good case for Macca.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/ … lodic-gift

He's a Southport F.C. fan then?

 

#5 2016-04-26 07:33:25

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Bop wrote:

Anyway, my favourite Beatle is George Harrison.

I knew you were alright Bop.

Favorite song is always such a difficult thing to pin down, different ones are best for different things. Tone? Paperback Writer. Art? Bungalow Bill. Emotion? Let it Be.

I'm not an over the top Beatles fan, the Rolling Stones are more my speed, as I feel they were somewhat overrated (not to say they aren't great, I think they are, it's just the lauding is slightly hyperbolic to me), but there is quality stuff in almost their entire career, and you can't understate how much they pushed the envelope on what was possible in the studio.


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#6 2016-04-26 08:29:06

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Re: The Beatles Thread

doghouse wrote:

Bop wrote:

Anyway, my favourite Beatle is George Harrison.

I knew you were alright Bop.

Favorite song is always such a difficult thing to pin down, different ones are best for different things. Tone? Paperback Writer. Art? Bungalow Bill. Emotion? Let it Be.

I'm not an over the top Beatles fan, the Rolling Stones are more my speed, as I feel they were somewhat overrated (not to say they aren't great, I think they are, it's just the lauding is slightly hyperbolic to me), but there is quality stuff in almost their entire career, and you can't understate how much they pushed the envelope on what was possible in the studio.

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/9417_gr3zo1.jpg


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#7 2016-04-26 08:45:05

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I'm with Bop. George was the most interesting one, in my opinion, as a songwriter and in his personal pursuits. He was also an excellent guitar player.


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#8 2016-04-26 09:01:08

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It wasnt untill I heard this tunes intro I realised what a massive influence Harrisons solo work had on Oasis..infact Noel did a remix of Be There by Ian Brown and Unkle that sounded very similar to this...with Spector behind the boards you get a great full sound with lots of soul power..

Waaah-waahhhhh

https://youtu.be/usGObvP42GM

Please note, Im probably the biggest hater of Oasis there is...but I can certainly understand why any would be influenced to sound like George on this album..

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#9 2016-04-26 09:24:36

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https://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly7z14f2D11qd9quwo1_500.gif


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#10 2016-04-26 10:10:30

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this was a very strange guitar the Frenchman used on some Radha Krishna Temple session at Apple, it's always intrigued me, it's green in color pics:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e4/3e/a4/e43ea491bb395a69639b789fe852f6be.jpg


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#11 2016-04-26 11:00:33

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Bop wrote:

Ringo had a bit of magic about his playing too some very groovy stuff falls out of him without much effort.

Ringo Is God Is Acid man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au523aZrS0Y  (by Steve Dirkx)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdauTKMyocA

Beastie Boys - The Sounds of Science

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFyc6Ik8WE0


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#12 2016-04-26 11:03:50

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George Harrison with Doris, Steve, Klaus, Ringo & Leslie  - It Don't Come Easy demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBC14whxEDQ

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#13 2016-04-26 11:11:23

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One of my favorites. So much to love about that song. I can even tolerate Ringo's voice on the released single, although I'd much prefer George's voice, as in the above. The "woo woo" and then the "ahh" in the chorus is genius, as is the solo guitar part.


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#14 2016-04-26 11:38:47

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I dig out a Beatles record every so often and give it a spin. I know them all so well it's like a reunion.

And like a reunion, I don't want to hang around too long.

 

#15 2016-04-26 12:28:52

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formby1 wrote:

doghouse wrote:

Bop wrote:

Anyway, my favourite Beatle is George Harrison.

I knew you were alright Bop.

Favorite song is always such a difficult thing to pin down, different ones are best for different things. Tone? Paperback Writer. Art? Bungalow Bill. Emotion? Let it Be.

I'm not an over the top Beatles fan, the Rolling Stones are more my speed, as I feel they were somewhat overrated (not to say they aren't great, I think they are, it's just the lauding is slightly hyperbolic to me), but there is quality stuff in almost their entire career, and you can't understate how much they pushed the envelope on what was possible in the studio.

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/9417_gr3zo1.jpg

If you are into pop music.

Rock n' rollers know the Stones are the truth.


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#16 2016-04-26 14:23:07

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doghouse wrote:

formby1 wrote:

doghouse wrote:


I knew you were alright Bop.

Favorite song is always such a difficult thing to pin down, different ones are best for different things. Tone? Paperback Writer. Art? Bungalow Bill. Emotion? Let it Be.

I'm not an over the top Beatles fan, the Rolling Stones are more my speed, as I feel they were somewhat overrated (not to say they aren't great, I think they are, it's just the lauding is slightly hyperbolic to me), but there is quality stuff in almost their entire career, and you can't understate how much they pushed the envelope on what was possible in the studio.

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/9417_gr3zo1.jpg

If you are into pop music.

Rock n' rollers know the Stones are the truth.

The Stones have about 4 maybe 5 great albums in them, before and after, they're a bit of an embarrassment.

The Who were a better band, and better musicians too.


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#17 2016-04-26 14:35:18

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Although I agree with that, I still have very little drive to dig out any old Who stuff..apart from Baba O'Riley and Substitute Im really not bothered by their songs I was once given Live at Leeds and told this is the best live album ever..I cant even remember it...with the Stones however there are bucketloads of tracks I like to have on frequent rotation and they are more listenable than the Beatles too. Saying that I would pick the Beatles over the Stones if I could only listen to one of them.

I know it all sounds like a well played out arguement now..but what other bands can really lay claim to this level of following over the last 60 odd years. Incredible legacies for both of them..and still musically valid

 

#18 2016-04-26 14:44:57

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Bop wrote:

Although I agree with that, I still have very little drive to dig out any old Who stuff..apart from Baba O'Riley and Substitute Im really not bothered by their songs I was once given Live at Leeds and told this is the best live album ever..I cant even remember it...with the Stones however there are bucketloads of tracks I like to have on frequent rotation and they are more listenable than the Beatles too. Saying that I would pick the Beatles over the Stones if I could only listen to one of them.

I know it all sounds like a well played out arguement now..but what other bands can really lay claim to this level of following over the last 60 odd years. Incredible legacies for both of them..and still musically valid

The Stones made those really great albums at the arse-end of the 60s early 70s and have then spent their subsequent years shitting all over their legacy. They're cringe-worthy now, a money-making end-of-the-pier cabaret act. The Beatles split at the top, and therefore secured their legacy.

You like who you like, but arguments or even better, opinions on these matters, are always entertaining...


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#19 2016-04-26 16:32:07

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formby1 wrote:

The Stones made those really great albums at the arse-end of the 60s early 70s and have then spent their subsequent years shitting all over their legacy. They're cringe-worthy now, a money-making end-of-the-pier cabaret act. The Beatles split at the top, and therefore secured their legacy.

I agree, but the great Stones albums are really great ... whereas with the Beatles I need to make my own playlists/compilations or else I might hear Maxwell's Silver Hammer or something


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#20 2016-04-27 03:50:35

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I've never been convinced by The Stones, the odd track here and there, but listening to a full album? I remember back in the late 80s they showed for the first time ever their concert in Hyde Park from '69. Awful, truly crap. Now the Rock and Roll Circus I thought was pretty good.

I agree with Formby, The Who are a much better rock n' roll band up until the late 70s, particularly from an album perspective. What's more they had serious street cred, particularly Townsend back in the early to mid 80s. In comparison, The Rolling Stones always struck me as the rock and roll band that Eric Clapton fans might like. Also there was that Mod revival thing and casual thing going on: The Who were a Mod band - although we know now Daltrey was a rocker - and there was a lot of hostility and never the twain should meat between the sweaty rock brigade who were into the Status Quo's, Led Zep's, Deep Purple and other 70s throw backs and the rest of humanity. The Rolling Stones seemed to be the missing link between the two.

The Beatles were kind of forgotten and John Lennon was discarded and a figure of some scorn before he was assassinated. After that he was rehabilitated as the genius of The Beatles, at particular expense of Macca. Of the two, I think Macca was a bigger creative talent both in and out of The Beatles. It wasn't until the release of The Beatles albums on CD, which was 1987, that I can remember people starting to admit to listening to them. At least in my age group.

Back to Bop's questions, Paul McCartney is my favourite Beatle. I also like quite a few of his solo albums, especially the first one and even the last one had some good moments, especially Queenie Eye. He's also a top multi-instrumentalist.

Of The Beatles stuff it's pretty much Help!, Rubber Soul and Revolver period for me.


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#21 2016-04-27 05:09:16

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Just a little factiod...the most streamed Beatles track on Spoitfy is Here Comes the Sun with over 20 million plays

 

#22 2016-04-27 05:27:11

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I adored the Stones circa '71, when I discovered them as a kid, until around '78 with Some Girls. I can still stand to listen to the catalog from their Mick Taylor years and a bit around the edges of that. I still love Exile and Sticky Fingers in particular.

The Stones were more basic than the Who, less arty, and naughtier and scruffier than the Beatles. Partly, if you were a Stones fan, it was the attitude that was alluring.


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#23 2016-04-27 07:08:23

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formby1 wrote:

doghouse wrote:

If you are into pop music.

Rock n' rollers know the Stones are the truth.

The Stones have about 4 maybe 5 great albums in them, before and after, they're a bit of an embarrassment.

The Who were a better band, and better musicians too.

Of course the Who were better musicians, that isn't even up for debate. But that is a sidebar to who is more rock.

I am a big Who devotee btw, even the Eminence Front days.


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#24 2016-04-27 07:10:11

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4F Hepcat wrote:

Of the two, I think Macca was a bigger creative talent both in and out of The Beatles.

Obviously.

Ironically, my favorite song by McCartney isn't even a Beatles song. It's Juniors Farm.


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#25 2016-04-27 07:38:09

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When I talk music with friends, I often find myself almost apologizing for liking the Stones. I take pains to make it clear I like the Stones in their prime (which to me is about '68 to '73). Because, yes, they are an embarrassment, and have been since shortly after Some Girls.

I always thought the best move they could have made, around the time Taylor left, would have been to go down the alt-country route (known more as country rock back then) and do more of what they were doing with things like Wild Horses, Sweet Virginia, Torn and Frayed, etc. Become something like an edgier Flying Burrito Brothers.

Or, maybe even better, they could have gone way back to their roots and become a simple blues and R&B cover band. Give up the whole rockandroll circus, play small clubs, do what they did on the El Mocambo side of Love You Live.

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