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#1 2016-06-21 10:58:09

Chipper
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The Rolling Rocks

Yeh, I have mixed feelings. I used to love these guys, back in their day, in fact, grew up with them about to same degree as with the Beatles. I still enjoy pretty much everything they put their hand to between around 1966 and 1973. After that  it was a pretty big descent, as far as I'm concerned.

So... this. An appreciation thread, of sorts, or un-appreciation, if that's your inclination. I understand.

I'll offer that probably my favorite Stones LP is nothing from their official catalog but most likely their famous boot Get Yer Leeds Lungs Out. (It was released officially just recently, I think, but I'm talking about the "real" copy I've owned since around 1973.) The sound quality is a little rough but the performance more than makes up for it.

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#2 2016-06-21 12:21:08

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This is a carry over from the Beatles thread I take it.

Anyway, since then I've heard a bunch of Stones on the satellite, and honestly, every time one of their songs comes on it just reinforces that the Beatles aren't a pimple on the Stones ass relatively speaking. I just heard Midnight Rambler this morning, and then you start talking Tumbling Dice and Sympathy, that stuff is just so far beyond the Beatles it's not even funny. I was actually having a discussion with a buddy the other day, the Beatles had some legitimate contributions in one area, they pushed the boundaries and capabilities of the recording studio more than anyone in history. This cannot be overstated. They are the kings of that arena. Their music though was hit and miss, which on the upside became more hit as they went along. The first couple albums are teeny bopper bullshit.

Plus John Lennon was a douchebag.


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#3 2016-06-21 12:29:37

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

I think the Stones and the Beatles often are seen as polar opposites, the Stones dark and stormy, the Beatles light and sunshine. Both groups were rebels in their own right, but the Beatles were rebels who also wanted to be liked, while the Stones didn't care if you liked them or not.

This is borne out in their stylistic differences. I think the Stones were more in touch with the gritty roots of black music, with music of the downtrodden and outcast, while the Beatles were more interested in the sweeter pop stuff that had already sprung from those roots.

I go to the Stones in my collection far more often than to the Beatles. I think the relative darkness of the Stones, the outlaw quality, appeals to something at my more introverted and suspicious core.

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#4 2016-06-21 13:11:10

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

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#5 2016-06-21 13:20:52

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Re: The Rolling Rocks


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#6 2016-06-21 13:28:10

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

Brian Jones was the coolest.

Great photo, stanshall. I've seen a lot of Stones images but never that one.

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#7 2016-06-21 13:51:20

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Chipper actually sums it up pretty well. The Stones knew the darkness, mostly from their affinity for black music. I have an old ever evolving hypothesis that you can't be stylish without being evil, and the Stones were on this wavelength. The Beatles were most definitely not.

Jonesy was the man too, this much is true.


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#8 2016-06-21 15:01:39

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I dont think youve got to go as far as evil...youve gotta just have a bit of earthiness and guts. A bit of grit...Jimmy Saville was evil..and he lived his life in shell suits...arguably so did Flava Flav...

It's a confusing area granted.

 

#9 2016-06-21 15:57:53

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#10 2016-06-21 17:02:35

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

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#11 2016-06-21 19:01:14

Chipper
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#12 2016-06-21 19:04:55

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#13 2016-06-21 19:09:05

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

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#14 2016-06-21 19:20:12

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

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#15 2016-06-22 01:18:18

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Re: The Rolling Rocks


Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#16 2016-06-22 06:52:47

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Hide thy infants, hide thy Lady, and hide thy husband, alas they art forcing sexual intercourse upon the entire populace. - Wm Shakespeare

 

#17 2016-06-22 06:53:58

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#18 2016-06-22 06:58:05

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

You nailed it, doghouse. I remember having to lie to my parents about what the Stones were singing about on Sticky Fingers. My dad came into my room one time, "concerned" about the music I was listening to. Fortunately he couldn't make out what much of what Jagger was singing, and when he looked at me to inquire, I just shrugged. Then he said something like, "You know, the kid down the street pumping gas can probably sing better than that." I replied, "Well, then what's he doing pumping gas? He needs a recording contract!"

 

#19 2016-06-22 07:41:58

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Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#20 2016-06-22 07:53:27

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

The Doors. Not bad, musically, and some interesting lyrics, but talk about your inconsistent albums. I do like the first one and LA Woman quite a bit.

The Band. I always thought WTF? Canadians doing some kind of weird interpretation of American post-antebellum mythology. It just seems to come out of left field, to me. Bizarre, flaccid, hippy stuff, if you ask me.

The thing about the Stones, at least for a while, is that their music swings. They're generally a very loose and sloppy band, but that gives the playing room for that swing that gives you that kick in the gut.

 

#21 2016-06-22 08:30:05

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"McQueen's message was signaled through subtraction... in a tweed or herringbone jacket and a ribbed swearer he had an electric austerity".

 

#22 2016-06-22 08:42:59

Chipper
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Re: The Rolling Rocks

I think you're thinking of the Rutles.

As for the Beatles, there are some interesting connections and coincidences, if you have a mind for such things. See, for example: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/rosemarys_baby_the_white_album_and_the_manson_murders_conspiracy

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#23 2016-06-22 09:44:43

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Re: The Rolling Rocks

/\  little Johnny Lemons was darker than anybody in the Stones, though Brian had the demon in him too .....

Jagger, before the muse left him, was as fine a lyricist as rock has ever had .....

the Paint It Black cue in Full Metal Jacket is one of the great music cues in movie history .....

it was a terrible thing when Jimmy Miller went over the line and had to split ..... Charlie in particular really benefited from Jimmy's guidance

the Rolling Stones' greatest record by far was Jumpin' Jack Flash ....

the four LP span of Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile On Main Street is the pinnacle of rock album greatness .....

Fool To Cry ... how did Jagger pull that vocal off, just a couple of years before that he was so flat on everything  ...

I personally don't understand how anybody couldn't love both the Stones and the Beatles massively ....

the Stones at their peak were putting out shimmering music ... No Expectations, Street Fighting Man, You Got the Silver, Gimme Shelter, Sway, Let It Loose, on and on and on ......

then there was the mid-period with all the lilting masterpieces like Back Street Girl, Out Of Time, Lady Jane, Ruby Tuesday, Under My Thumb, She's a Rainbow ....

so many flavors, like the Beatles, every time you hear one of the masterpiece songs it becomes your favorite until the next time you hear a great one, and then that one becomes your favorite .....

and don't ever forget that Bill Wyman was the linchpin of the Stones' live glory, without him they were sunk

and RIP Nicky Hopkins, his contributions were massive, he was a melody machine, his jewel-like piano provided many of their their classics with their most beautiful notes

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#24 2016-06-22 10:39:40

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Re: The Rolling Rocks


"McQueen's message was signaled through subtraction... in a tweed or herringbone jacket and a ribbed swearer he had an electric austerity".

 

#25 2016-06-22 10:44:53

Chipper
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Re: The Rolling Rocks

I enjoy the Beatles a lot, I just don't feel it as much as I do the Stones.

Their true "art" albums, if you will, where they pull off a whole LP conceptually and musically, for me, are Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.

I find myself returning a lot to the early catalog these days. More Hot Rocks (Big Hits and Fazed Cookies) has been in heavy rotation for the past several days. As good a compilation LP as I've ever heard.

 

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