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#51 2008-03-18 05:18:18

flannel
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Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

^ An example on which I, for one, ought to reflect.


'every man needs one of each'
Ipse

 

#52 2008-03-18 05:33:00

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

... He did however have a bespoke Covert Coat from Huntsman so we must always remember that even the best of us is often full of shit.

Bless 'im.

 

#53 2008-03-18 06:24:20

eg
Member
From: Burlington, ON
Posts: 1498

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Russell_Street wrote:

tripchauncey wrote:

Russell_Street wrote:

Wonder who makes these inexpensive lumps of leather?

http://www.shiptonandheneage.co.uk/erol.html#2090X583

Are they Loakes?

http://www.pediwear.com/detail.php?stock_ID=1057

????

Thanks -

Chum,

Same shoo perchance?

http://www.jpressonline.com/accessories … l.php?ix=6

Hmmmmm -

Nice Shoe whatever. Loake is maybe a bit too entry level for Press? Dunno.

Tony - I think whatever your nationality you either have a shoe fetish or you don't. Most Europeans do indeed walk more than most Americans. It's a car thing I think. Or that distances are greater in the great big spread out US. Not sure.
My father lived in Churchs and indeed was buried in a pair. He just wore them, had them repaired as & when, & then threw them away without a backward glance. They aren't meant to last. Trickers he treated with more respect for some reason.

It's also worthy of mention that he found anything overly expensive quite literally obscene.
Things should be well made & good for their price. Nothing more. To spend a large amount of good money (always "good money" to him) on a pair of shoes would have been something which he would have found disgusting. The act of a willful degenerate like my beloved Uncle George.
Cordo Aldens may last & last but the initial outlay on them would have been against my father's every principle.

"Very showy" he'd have sniffed, refering to the action of buying them in the first place not to the appearance of the shoes.
He equally lived modestly in every other respect. His T&A shirts were always bought in the January sales and he always used country tailors over London ones on the few occasions he had something made to measure. Usually he would buy good quality RTW in the sales and have it altered to fit.

Very Trad you might think. And "Don't be so bloody stupid" would have been his relpy. wink

J.


J.

An eminently sensible position, surely, and one my own father (child of the Depression as he remains) would certainly espouse. One quibble -- Aldens hardly appear "showy", at least to my eye, so you'd have to be making an ass of yourself by telling people what make your shoes were, and how much they cost, for anybody to notice. I hope this never actually happens in meatspace, though I have discovered it to be an ugly recurrence on "the interwebs" ... sad


"Experience teaches only the teachable." A. Huxley

Oh, and if Latin is your thing, Sursum Corda

 

#54 2008-03-18 07:20:04

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

It's not the shoes, but the act of spending so much on the shoes as a fetish item.

(The Covert Coat dates to his wild youth, btw. Ditto my Brooks Makers largely unwearable in the UK Seersucker suit. There's a thread in 'Youthful Sartorial Follies' I think...)

 

#55 2008-03-18 07:23:29

yachtie
Member
Posts: 843

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

eg wrote:

Russell_Street wrote:

Tony - I think whatever your nationality you either have a shoe fetish or you don't. Most Europeans do indeed walk more than most Americans. It's a car thing I think. Or that distances are greater in the great big spread out US. Not sure.
My father lived in Churchs and indeed was buried in a pair. He just wore them, had them repaired as & when, & then threw them away without a backward glance. They aren't meant to last. Trickers he treated with more respect for some reason.

It's also worthy of mention that he found anything overly expensive quite literally obscene.
Things should be well made & good for their price. Nothing more. To spend a large amount of good money (always "good money" to him) on a pair of shoes would have been something which he would have found disgusting. The act of a willful degenerate like my beloved Uncle George.
Cordo Aldens may last & last but the initial outlay on them would have been against my father's every principle.

"Very showy" he'd have sniffed, refering to the action of buying them in the first place not to the appearance of the shoes.
He equally lived modestly in every other respect. His T&A shirts were always bought in the January sales and he always used country tailors over London ones on the few occasions he had something made to measure. Usually he would buy good quality RTW in the sales and have it altered to fit.

Very Trad you might think. And "Don't be so bloody stupid" would have been his relpy. wink

J.


J.

An eminently sensible position, surely, and one my own father (child of the Depression as he remains) would certainly espouse. One quibble -- Aldens hardly appear "showy", at least to my eye, so you'd have to be making an ass of yourself by telling people what make your shoes were, and how much they cost, for anybody to notice. I hope this never actually happens in meatspace, though I have discovered it to be an ugly recurrence on "the interwebs" ... sad

I guess it's where you see the value proposition. My dad (a young man in the 30's)was of the mindset "buy good quality stuff and take care of it; it's cheaper in the long run. " Actually it's nice wearing (at least what's described on the interweb) as boring, blobby clunkers. As part of an outfit, they dont do the "look at me" thing that some other brands do. While I haven't really done a cost analysis, anecdotally I think it's cheaper (mebbe) to keep getting them resoled than buying more pairs of disposable shoes. It certainly is more satisfying philosophically.

I can see that folks have different "set points" regarding value (inital cost v. longevity). To some "internet Gentlemen" Alden cordos are a low grade machine made shoe, to others they're overpriced for what they are. Just like I can't see the value in EG's or Lattanzi's or Santoni's, others can't see the value in Aldens. And that's okay.

I remember getting Church's as my first pair of "good" shoes. black captoes IIRC. I thought I was really the nuts wearing them to work. There was something reather screwy with them as I developed pretty bad hip and knee pain. The local shoe store suggested Alden and I've been happy with them for a very long time.


One conjects that you, sir, are an ascot flaunting, pomaded, proletarian mountebank fomenting discordance amongst this august body. -jamgood

 

#56 2008-03-18 07:38:01

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

This is the thing isn't it?

Bespoking everything as the best value, longest lasting, best quality items. Depending on the bespoke you wind up with...

Or -

The Puritan recoil at initially spending such un-Godly amounts of money on clothes.

Your Aldens (although not bespoke) clearly make very good financial sense for you in the long term. To another person the initial outlay would be the mark of a flashy foreign homosexualist.

I'm glad I'm just a scumbag and I never have to think about these things...

So who's doing what for Easter?

J.

 

#57 2008-03-18 08:30:51

eg
Member
From: Burlington, ON
Posts: 1498

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

yachtie wrote:

eg wrote:

Russell_Street wrote:

Tony - I think whatever your nationality you either have a shoe fetish or you don't. Most Europeans do indeed walk more than most Americans. It's a car thing I think. Or that distances are greater in the great big spread out US. Not sure.
My father lived in Churchs and indeed was buried in a pair. He just wore them, had them repaired as & when, & then threw them away without a backward glance. They aren't meant to last. Trickers he treated with more respect for some reason.

It's also worthy of mention that he found anything overly expensive quite literally obscene.
Things should be well made & good for their price. Nothing more. To spend a large amount of good money (always "good money" to him) on a pair of shoes would have been something which he would have found disgusting. The act of a willful degenerate like my beloved Uncle George.
Cordo Aldens may last & last but the initial outlay on them would have been against my father's every principle.

"Very showy" he'd have sniffed, refering to the action of buying them in the first place not to the appearance of the shoes.
He equally lived modestly in every other respect. His T&A shirts were always bought in the January sales and he always used country tailors over London ones on the few occasions he had something made to measure. Usually he would buy good quality RTW in the sales and have it altered to fit.

Very Trad you might think. And "Don't be so bloody stupid" would have been his relpy. wink

J.


J.

An eminently sensible position, surely, and one my own father (child of the Depression as he remains) would certainly espouse. One quibble -- Aldens hardly appear "showy", at least to my eye, so you'd have to be making an ass of yourself by telling people what make your shoes were, and how much they cost, for anybody to notice. I hope this never actually happens in meatspace, though I have discovered it to be an ugly recurrence on "the interwebs" ... sad

I guess it's where you see the value proposition. My dad (a young man in the 30's)was of the mindset "buy good quality stuff and take care of it; it's cheaper in the long run. " Actually it's nice wearing (at least what's described on the interweb) as boring, blobby clunkers. As part of an outfit, they dont do the "look at me" thing that some other brands do. While I haven't really done a cost analysis, anecdotally I think it's cheaper (mebbe) to keep getting them resoled than buying more pairs of disposable shoes. It certainly is more satisfying philosophically.

I can see that folks have different "set points" regarding value (inital cost v. longevity). To some "internet Gentlemen" Alden cordos are a low grade machine made shoe, to others they're overpriced for what they are. Just like I can't see the value in EG's or Lattanzi's or Santoni's, others can't see the value in Aldens. And that's okay.

I remember getting Church's as my first pair of "good" shoes. black captoes IIRC. I thought I was really the nuts wearing them to work. There was something reather screwy with them as I developed pretty bad hip and knee pain. The local shoe store suggested Alden and I've been happy with them for a very long time.

Exactly. I am convinced that a little "stodge-wear" goes a long way, especially in business, and most especially in business times like right now. Solid, dependable, boring -- just the thing to separate oneself from the flash and dazzle of the brash upstart, no?


"Experience teaches only the teachable." A. Huxley

Oh, and if Latin is your thing, Sursum Corda

 

#58 2008-03-18 08:40:27

yachtie
Member
Posts: 843

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

eg wrote:

yachtie wrote:

eg wrote:


An eminently sensible position, surely, and one my own father (child of the Depression as he remains) would certainly espouse. One quibble -- Aldens hardly appear "showy", at least to my eye, so you'd have to be making an ass of yourself by telling people what make your shoes were, and how much they cost, for anybody to notice. I hope this never actually happens in meatspace, though I have discovered it to be an ugly recurrence on "the interwebs" ... sad

I guess it's where you see the value proposition. My dad (a young man in the 30's)was of the mindset "buy good quality stuff and take care of it; it's cheaper in the long run. " Actually it's nice wearing (at least what's described on the interweb) as boring, blobby clunkers. As part of an outfit, they dont do the "look at me" thing that some other brands do. While I haven't really done a cost analysis, anecdotally I think it's cheaper (mebbe) to keep getting them resoled than buying more pairs of disposable shoes. It certainly is more satisfying philosophically.

I can see that folks have different "set points" regarding value (inital cost v. longevity). To some "internet Gentlemen" Alden cordos are a low grade machine made shoe, to others they're overpriced for what they are. Just like I can't see the value in EG's or Lattanzi's or Santoni's, others can't see the value in Aldens. And that's okay.

I remember getting Church's as my first pair of "good" shoes. black captoes IIRC. I thought I was really the nuts wearing them to work. There was something reather screwy with them as I developed pretty bad hip and knee pain. The local shoe store suggested Alden and I've been happy with them for a very long time.

Exactly. I am convinced that a little "stodge-wear" goes a long way, especially in business, and most especially in business times like right now. Solid, dependable, boring -- just the thing to separate oneself from the flash and dazzle of the brash upstart, no?

Bingo! That's just it- they "got legs".


One conjects that you, sir, are an ascot flaunting, pomaded, proletarian mountebank fomenting discordance amongst this august body. -jamgood

 

#59 2008-03-18 08:40:29

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

eg wrote:

Exactly. I am convinced that a little "stodge-wear" goes a long way, especially in business, and most especially in business times like right now. Solid, dependable, boring -- just the thing to separate oneself from the flash and dazzle of the brash upstart, no?

Oh but that's being a fashion victim, too isn't it?


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#60 2008-03-18 09:44:13

eg
Member
From: Burlington, ON
Posts: 1498

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Tony Ventresca wrote:

eg wrote:

Exactly. I am convinced that a little "stodge-wear" goes a long way, especially in business, and most especially in business times like right now. Solid, dependable, boring -- just the thing to separate oneself from the flash and dazzle of the brash upstart, no?

Oh but that's being a fashion victim, too isn't it?

Strictly speaking, yes, since anti-fashion is a sort of fashion -- so anti-fashion victim, perhaps? Or maybe it is a skill, like charming clients, or being at ease whilst public speaking? Pragmatic, at any rate.


"Experience teaches only the teachable." A. Huxley

Oh, and if Latin is your thing, Sursum Corda

 

#61 2008-03-18 09:57:47

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

eg wrote:

Tony Ventresca wrote:

eg wrote:

Exactly. I am convinced that a little "stodge-wear" goes a long way, especially in business, and most especially in business times like right now. Solid, dependable, boring -- just the thing to separate oneself from the flash and dazzle of the brash upstart, no?

Oh but that's being a fashion victim, too isn't it?

Strictly speaking, yes, since anti-fashion is a sort of fashion -- so anti-fashion victim, perhaps? Or maybe it is a skill, like charming clients, or being at ease whilst public speaking? Pragmatic, at any rate.

Nice save!


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#62 2008-04-23 07:26:22

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Shooey, here is a pair of Alden gunboats someone posted on SF.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4420/img2154ie1gk3.th.jpg


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#63 2008-04-23 11:24:20

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Florsheim, in 1965.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8924/19657tw7.jpg


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#64 2008-04-23 20:35:54

Ay329 Michael
Member
Posts: 17

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

My first contribution for this band of renegades and learned dressers

Gaziano & Girling Warwick (modified with full wing tip brogue design) in Espresso MTO

Thanks Shooman for creating this post

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm247/ay329/GGWarwick2.jpg

Last edited by Ay329 Michael (2008-04-23 20:40:26)

 

#65 2008-04-24 01:09:59

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

^
Lovely colour Michael!

I do have a soft spot for a sleeker brogue.

 

#66 2008-04-24 01:32:20

The_Shooman
A pretty face
From: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 12919

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Ay329 Michael wrote:

Thanks Shooman for creating this post

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm24 … rwick2.jpg

No worries m8! smile


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#67 2008-04-24 12:57:23

Richmond Hill
Member
Posts: 137

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Sorry I can't catch an image, but J M Weston (French shoemaker IMHO = Alden, Edward Green) make a TRIPPLE sole wing tip brogue with metal tip on heal and toe. 500. Old Burlington Street, London W1.

Beauties.


Google the website (when it is up and running again)

JNW also do a very understated loafer and some other interesting lines.

RH

 

#68 2008-04-25 03:19:57

heikki k
The Ivyist's Ivyist
Posts: 1441

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

richmond hill, sounds like a 'real bad-ass gunboat' if you don't mind the expression! i'll definitely check on those should i ever manage a new trip to london.


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get your kicks on route six six six

 

#69 2008-04-25 03:45:31

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8263/img818109334386770rc7.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3173/img818109334386771cb6.jpg

Saw these on a Japanese blog: Weston #677 Hunt Derby?

Last edited by Moose Maclennan (2008-04-25 03:47:13)

 

#70 2008-04-25 04:05:59

heikki k
The Ivyist's Ivyist
Posts: 1441

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

are these kind of shoes called norwegians? i'm not sure if i'd be brave enough to wear those but those double soles and metal segs surely CRUNCH. 'if you step on my new brown shoes i'll bloody step on you!' big_smile


---
get your kicks on route six six six

 

#71 2008-04-25 07:27:26

The_Shooman
A pretty face
From: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 12919

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Moose Maclennan wrote:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8263 … 770rc7.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3173 … 771cb6.jpg

Saw these on a Japanese blog: Weston #677 Hunt Derby?

Perfect shoos!!! On the top of my want list.


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#72 2008-05-07 19:35:59

shuman
Member
Posts: 184

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Have a pair of Allen Edmonds MacNeils in tan scotch grain calf, purchased from Ebay a while back. My cobbler thinks they are circa 1950's or so. Can get a handle on what to wear with them, as I wear mostly burgundy shell cordo. Doesnt seem right with summer stuff. I will have to look at old ads to get ideas.

 

#73 2008-05-07 19:42:01

Vaclav
Member
Posts: 1321

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Voltaire's Bastard wrote:

Vaclav wrote:

In this Age of Quarrel can't, you make a more, peaceful name for, these shoes ?

Tugboats?  Canoes?  No matter what they are called I disdain them.  This reflects poorly upon my character, I know.

What of, Love Boats ?

 

#74 2008-05-21 09:16:08

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Classic gunboats being worn with dress pants, 1963.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3261/196317ea5.jpg


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#75 2008-05-21 09:54:21

The_Shooman
A pretty face
From: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 12919

Re: Gun Boats - like `em or h8 `em?

Wow wee Tony. Amazing. Simply amazing.

Crikey! l can't even imagine how great it must be to own a longwing gunboat. lmagine having a shell cordovan longwing gunboat....l could wear it every day for the rest of my life. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Aportneyface-4.gif 


Regards fellas: your Shooman. wink

Last edited by The_Shooman (2008-05-21 09:54:59)


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