i havent gone to the location in fathell, midlothian il. as of yet.

shamrockmonkey wrote:

but there are plenty of smaller sizes. just doesnt seem to be any demand for them.

I think you are right, except perhaps for some of the more esoteric stuff going to Japan. Difficult to argue with the statistics of average height and weight.

Retailers of new garments seem to have mostly dropped their smaller sizes too - the reason I started scouting vintage in the first place.

Moose Maclennan wrote:

shamrockmonkey wrote:

or you can just buy from me. for cheeeeeeep.

You do seem to go thrifting in Fathell, IL - BIG sizes you're getting...

there are some smaller sizes, just havent had anyone ask for them really. but they arent as common as the bigger sizes , IMHO because:

this type of stuff is usually baggy and oversized to begin with, anyways. up until very recently the american man (who wasnt interested in other men) tended to buy his clothes at least one size too big, sometimes 2.
what seems to be the agreed -upon version of Ivy amongst europeans might have been sported by a handful of jazz musicians and backwoods maine dentists, but  the "ivy stylist"  "golden age" look, with "flood pants" and shirts that barely touch the hands, more or less disappeared about 45 yrs ago and never came back, until , i dunno, 2007 or so. thats not just an OPHB thing.
UK/euro/jap ivy is a sharp look, definitely.......but it hasnt been an american look for about 45 years, up until probably thom browne and "mad men". you brits and euros make it look much classier than it tends to look over here... those "golden age" well-fitting garments arent that common.
midwesterners are a stocky demographic overall, but not any more so that germans or brits in my experience.
the average american would think of "well-tailored ivy" as oxymoronic, especially here in the midwest. just the rambling opinion of a frumpy midwestern blue-collar lug who sees nothing wrong with double-lines of collar stitching and polyester-blends.....

I need more stuff like I need a hole in the head, but since you ask here are some elusive articles:

plain crew shetlands in S or M are interesting

BB 36S or 37S wash-and-wear poplin sack suits in khaki, navy or charcoal (I have one in olive, a fantastic suit) are on the hunting list

flat-front grey flannels (31 waist) have proved hard to find vintage or otherwise

plain-toe shell bluchers (black or cordo) in US size 9

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Moose Maclennan wrote:

That Hathaway of yours in 16/33 should be a good score for someone; I was very impressed with the USA Hathaway I picked up recently.

It is a name which deserves more honour, IMO.

Middle-market stuff - But that's where all the action was in da Boom Years.

Just Jim wrote:

Moose Maclennan wrote:

That Hathaway of yours in 16/33 should be a good score for someone; I was very impressed with the USA Hathaway I picked up recently.

It is a name which deserves more honour, IMO.

Middle-market stuff - But that's where all the action was in da Boom Years.

pirates tend to be a well-dressed lot.

todays items (note most of these had pricetags stapled to the collar by idiots at salvation army, still not noticeable punctured, but just to point out )

-brooks brothers SS madras, med., main color lt. teal

-black fleece ocbd, white, size "BB1", some staining on cuff, inside collar, looks like it will come out

-BB OCBD, 17.5 x 35, off-white supima cotton , very heavy but soft fabric almost like brushed twill, no stains, huge fit

-lands end ocbd, blue oxford stripe, 16.5x35, all cotton, no flaws

-hathaway for neiman marcus BD in lt. blue/white "english poplin", blend. staining inside collar, no other problems

-2 Andover Shop ocbds, lt. blue, 17x35, all-cotton, 1 w/ some smudging which should come out, the other spotless

-"B.D. baggies" ocbd, lt. blue, 16.5 x 34/5 long, some smudging on back

-Yellow BD Baggies OCBD, 15.5x34/5 long, no staining

-oxblood/reddish brown/lt. cordovan bluchers, "Wright arch preserver shoes", no major scuffing or dings, sole still thick, leather still flexible and in good shape. all around sole extension, but narrower profile compared to, say, an alden walker. size 8.5 D but my 10-11 feet fit in them, tight but i can uncurl my toes.....so id call them 9 or even 9.5.

-Govt. contract black bluchers, mfg. Genesco Inc., Sept. 24, 1975. no big flaws, leather still fairly supple and shiny but could use some leather food, etc. little wear, lining almost spotless. round toe, still  thick leather sole/o'sullivan rubber heel, gunboat type extension in front but trim around the heel. would be good for a suedehead/smoothie type look.

-2 pairs USA made bass weejuns, both cordo. 1 marked 11D, 1 illegible but fits me like a 10.5 D. both pairs in need of some TLC. 11 pair in better shape but sole pretty thin around the toes. 10.5 has decent sole, but needs more refinishing up top.


ALSO SAW  and can retrieve if anyone interested: L.L. bean melton short jacket, camel color, spotless/no holes/no fraying  but slightly threadbare at all seams, size L-tall

brand new no box poulson and something of london "leeds"  bal oxford and "sioux" loafer, both caramel, marked 9-9.5E

nordstrom white bucks, not really buck but chamois type leather, weird layered sole, vibram type, bottom/most of sole red but dark at top. 8.5 D.

size 11 or 11.5 white bucks which had been covered over with white athletic/nurses shoe liquid polish

10.5 johnston and murphy weejuns

a pair similar to the oxblood bluchers mentioned but in worse shape, covered w/superficial cracks and very worn heels

brown longwings in 11.5, also pretty beat

Moose Maclennan wrote:

shamrockmonkey wrote:

i havent gone to the location in fathell, midlothian...

Well done picking up the literary reference!

if you want to call him literature....haha

his greatest gift to sartorial discourse is still  "schemie hilfiger".

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A vintage Brooks makers sack suit, miniature grey hounds/dogstooth with a blue windowpane, tagged size 41 reg and measuring 18.5 shoulders, 22 chest, 24 shoulder to cuff and 31 overall. The trousers are flat front with a 1.75 cuff, 37 waist and 28.5 inside leg, $50.00 plus shipping,cheers.

Russell_Street wrote:

Now there's a jolly thing that would suit any Ivy Modculturalist with a few tweaks to suit their taste.

Is it 'tweeks' or 'tweaks', btw?  *Google*  Oh, it's 'tweaks'.

What would you tweak Russell? Looks like a fairly classic Brooks suit to me. I think the cloth is a bit ugly but everything else about it is rather nice.

Previous owner must have had something of a beer-gut though.

Fifty dollars is a very reasonable price too.

Onwards.

It's nice and its ugliness is part of the charm... Houndstooth, POW, blue striped Seersucker suits all belong here...

Seconded... I like the 19" legs, too...

The worst thing that happened with an alteration to an early 60s Brooks suit was that a tailor (who has a few mod/60s revivalist customers) lowered the waist to almost hipster proportions and he slimmed it down with darts!


Re: Houndstooth: I read somewhere that the Stones were horrified about wearing matching suits in that pattern for an early promo shot...

Personally, I think as long as the pattern is small and subtle, it's nice...