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#1 2008-07-04 08:44:25

bandofoutsiders
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Recent Old Ivy Finds

Because nobody likes to post photos of old stuff more than me.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1043/j30049dg7.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7743/j30050qw0.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/4604/j30052py2.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2026/rm6174js0.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5361/rm6174bqp1.jpg

Let no seam go unlapped.

 

#2 2008-07-04 08:53:39

Tony Ventresca
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Posts: 5132

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Because nobody likes to post photos of old stuff more than me.

...and you always find the best stuff. Make this your thread and post more please.

*****

Look at those padded shoulders.

I wonder how that fits into the 'trad' canon?


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#3 2008-07-04 09:06:13

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Tony Ventresca wrote:

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Because nobody likes to post photos of old stuff more than me.

...and you always find the best stuff. Make this your thread and post more please.

*****

Look at those padded shoulders.

I wonder how that fits into the 'trad' canon?

I'm pretty sure both jackets have natural shoulders; they just fit poorly on the stand. 

Since you asked.....
Vintage wash n' wear Brooks suit
http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/861e_12.JPG
http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/894a_12.JPG
not sure of age, and I don't really care, it's the particular look I am after.  Notice how the top botton is aligned with the breast pocket and the bottom button is aligned with the top of the bottom pockets.

Dee Cee "University Classics" plaid buttondown, short sleeve.  Late 1950s New with Tags
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/Andvintage/sss-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/Andvintage/sss3-1.jpg

Vintage 1960s Bleeding Madras jacket, 1/4 lined.  Ever have a piece of clothing you love so much it frightens you to wear it?
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/week4/03Tuesday/02/0422_2%20121.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/week4/03Tuesday/02/0422_2%20122.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/week4/03Tuesday/02/0422_2%20132.jpg

And another madras
http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/f4/a6/aca9_1.JPG
http://i1.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/f4/a6/bdc2_1.JPG

 

#4 2008-07-04 09:11:50

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Jackets with a really large distances between buttons seems to have been a period thing. The Japanese still offer it from some of their clothing companies (some have been posted previously on FNB). I have never seen it available from modern-day American companies though.

I like the casual shirt. Strong patterns should have a place in casual weekend wear.

Oh, regarding natural shoulders: I've maintained that the sleevehead attachment area is the key issue, not the shoulder padding. Actually, padding is needed to extend past the shoulder seam to give the natural wrap over the shoulder.


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#5 2008-07-04 09:23:33

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Excellent thread. Excellent clothes. Thank you for posting B.o.O.

Tony - Without wishing to be controversial, is it still even remotely meaningful to talk of 'Trad'? The cannon, the curriculum, is now so discredited by historical evidence that I think it no longer has any pertinent meaning or relevance. Traditional American style is real, but Harris' 'Trad' simply doesn't stand up. Moving on is probably best now. I'm happy to debate this with any Trad who wishes, but I do really think that it's all over now.

 

#6 2008-07-04 09:50:57

The Dean
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Posts: 47

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Beautiful stuff.

Do you mind my asking where you pick up these goodies? Online or from vintage/ thrift stores? I have a hard time finding anything decent on eBay.

 

#7 2008-07-04 10:06:15

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

The Dean wrote:

Beautiful stuff.

Do you mind my asking where you pick up these goodies? Online or from vintage/ thrift stores? I have a hard time finding anything decent on eBay.

Ebay is very hit or miss and I have often thrown money away on ebay items.  But the occasional gem still shows up.  I know alot of good vintage stores where I live, and the prices are not hideously inflated like in New York or LA. 

Thrift stores are also good because they have no idea what they're selling.  Got a vintage dinner suit tailors tag '68, shawl collar, in a thrifty for 15 bucks.

What I lack in luck I make up for in compulsion and obsession.

 

#8 2008-07-04 10:11:18

The Dean
Member
Posts: 47

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Cheers for that.

Living in the UK I don't come across Ivy stuff in thrift/ charity shops so am reliant on US eBay.

Picked up a couple of decent suits - got a 60s Chipp effort that fits like a dream and an olive Brooks poplin that I like a lot.

Got to keep looking!

 

#9 2008-07-04 10:33:59

Suitedbooted2000
Member
Posts: 577

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Tony Ventresca wrote:

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Because nobody likes to post photos of old stuff more than me.

...and you always find the best stuff. Make this your thread and post more please.

*****

Look at those padded shoulders.

I wonder how that fits into the 'trad' canon?

I'm pretty sure both jackets have natural shoulders; they just fit poorly on the stand. 

Since you asked.....
Vintage wash n' wear Brooks suit
http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/861e_12.JPG
http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/894a_12.JPG
not sure of age, and I don't really care, it's the particular look I am after.  Notice how the top botton is aligned with the breast pocket and the bottom button is aligned with the top of the bottom pockets.

Dee Cee "University Classics" plaid buttondown, short sleeve.  Late 1950s New with Tags
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/A … /sss-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/A … sss3-1.jpg

Vintage 1960s Bleeding Madras jacket, 1/4 lined.  Ever have a piece of clothing you love so much it frightens you to wear it?
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20121.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20122.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20132.jpg

And another madras
http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/f4/a6/aca9_1.JPG
http://i1.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/f4/a6/bdc2_1.JPG

Nice very nice, I'm likeing the Dee Cee button down shirt
how much did that cost you?

Lewis

 

#10 2008-07-04 10:44:47

Tony Ventresca
Member
Posts: 5132

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Thrift stores are also good because they have no idea what they're selling.  Got a vintage dinner suit tailors tag '68, shawl collar, in a thrifty for 15 bucks.

That's where everything good is, if it exists. I remember Doctor Damage telling me once he saw a custom-made Southwick blazer once in a thrift store which did not fit him. He said you could tell instantly it was special just seeing it on the clothing racks with all the cheap suits.

What I lack in luck I make up for in compulsion and obsession.

Fine toothed comb, best way to find great gear. Good things come to those who wait (and know their stuff inside-out).


"Clothes make the man only if they fit." Carole Jackson
"Once upon a time, life was not better. It was just different." William Norwich
"This is one of the testimonial pictures that Satan uses in his brochures." Anonymous

 

#11 2008-07-04 10:53:29

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Suitedbooted2000 wrote:

bandofoutsiders wrote:

Tony Ventresca wrote:


...and you always find the best stuff. Make this your thread and post more please.

*****

Look at those padded shoulders.

I wonder how that fits into the 'trad' canon?

I'm pretty sure both jackets have natural shoulders; they just fit poorly on the stand. 

Since you asked.....
Vintage wash n' wear Brooks suit
http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/861e_12.JPG
http://i23.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f5/4a/894a_12.JPG
not sure of age, and I don't really care, it's the particular look I am after.  Notice how the top botton is aligned with the breast pocket and the bottom button is aligned with the top of the bottom pockets.

Dee Cee "University Classics" plaid buttondown, short sleeve.  Late 1950s New with Tags
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/A … /sss-1.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i55/A … sss3-1.jpg

Vintage 1960s Bleeding Madras jacket, 1/4 lined.  Ever have a piece of clothing you love so much it frightens you to wear it?
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20121.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20122.jpg
http://jackets.queencitytrader.com/Apr/ … %20132.jpg

And another madras
http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/f4/a6/aca9_1.JPG
http://i1.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/f4/a6/bdc2_1.JPG

Nice very nice, I'm likeing the Dee Cee button down shirt
how much did that cost you?

Lewis

19 dollars

 

#12 2008-08-06 03:57:36

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Some more interesting sacks have turned up.  The first two I already own, the third has popped up on Ebay.

Vintage Brooks.  Early 1960s judging by the label.  Look how high that top buttonhole is.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6007/157400046ops9.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5047/157400243oco3.jpg

Closeup of fabric.  I wish they had more textured, flecky fabrics nowadays. I see browns, greys and blues.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7537/157400186ofx4.jpg

1950s grey summer sack by Abraham and Straus.  Rounded lapel and lower button stance. 
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5174/157397528oec9.jpg

Brooks 3-piece sack dated 1929. 
http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/03/26/c474_1.JPG
http://i10.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/03/26/cb47_1.JPG

Lastly, a couple of shirts. 
First is a Towncraft tab, short sleeved, two breast pockets, and odd mix of formal and sport.  Material is an indestructible polyester nylon tricot.
http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/Himg361/scaled.php?server=361&filename=120422mm3766llo8.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=480

Perma prest 3BD collar in cool plaid.  From some mens shop out in San Francisco.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/548/120429mm3773lhp6.jpg

Last edited by bandofoutsiders (2008-08-06 03:58:34)

 

#13 2008-08-06 04:01:04

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

My new sack haul, funded by the sale to Moose of some vintage suits.  Nobody wins unless everybody wins.
http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/forum/viewt … 750#p63750

 

#14 2008-08-06 05:31:10

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Very nice indeed.

Thanks for sharing those pics -

 

#15 2008-08-06 05:36:21

Taylor McIntyre
Son of Ivy...
Posts: 342

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

I like comparing the lapel widths, button stances, shoulder lines... All are wondefully diverse. Nothing 'Humdrum' here.  wink

J.

 

#16 2008-08-06 05:40:31

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Glad to hear you put that spare cash to good use!

The brownish Brooks is is a cracker.

 

#17 2008-08-06 06:52:31

rsmeyer
Member
From: Chevy Chase, MD
Posts: 751

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

bandofoutsiders wrote:

My new sack haul, funded by the sale to Moose of some vintage suits.  Nobody wins unless everybody wins.
http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/forum/viewt … 750#p63750

If the '29 BB was my size, I'd leap for it! A true Ivy look-from the originator.

 

#18 2008-08-06 09:13:07

Get Smart
Member
Posts: 1106

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

out of curiosity, do these all fit you or are you buying as a collector just to have them?

if they do fit, I'd love to see some fit pics to see what they look like worn since there's such a visual disparity between garments hung and actually worn

 

#19 2008-08-06 09:14:08

Get Smart
Member
Posts: 1106

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Shouldnt that other thread be on *this* side of the forum?

 

#20 2008-08-07 03:02:09

H. Logg
Member
Posts: 133

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Didn't BoO state somewhere that it's a bit of a hit and miss. I've ordered one blazer and one suit online, I was lucky with both. The hardest and most important thing is to get the shoulders right, since that's hard to get altered. I might actually post in the wants section soon... if anybody has a sack jacket with 16.5 inch shoulders.

 

#21 2008-08-07 03:50:19

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

H. Logg wrote:

... I might actually post in the wants section soon... if anybody has a sack jacket with 16.5 inch shoulders.

You should. My personal experience of WTB posts has been extremely good.

16 1/2" - 17" shoulders is about my size too. Best fit to date has been Brooks Bros. Boys Dept., size 20.

 

#22 2008-08-07 04:33:24

bandofoutsiders
Member
Posts: 432

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

Get Smart wrote:

out of curiosity, do these all fit you or are you buying as a collector just to have them?

if they do fit, I'd love to see some fit pics to see what they look like worn since there's such a visual disparity between garments hung and actually worn

I'll put up some fit pics as soon as I can.  The suits were shipped to my new address back in the states, but I won't be back there for another two weeks.  I wouldn't say I'm a collector.  I buy the stuff because it's cheap and cool to have, but only if I can wear it. They all should fit me fine, judging by the measurements.  I have had a couple of bad experiences recently with Ebay sellers, but generally because the seller stretches the jacket out a mannequin before measuring.  One was a sweet charcoal summerweight sack with lapped seams, hook vent and all the other jazz, supposedly a size 38 (17.25in shoulders, 42 inch chest, 32 inch waist), but when I measured it after it arrived it was a 40 inch chest and 16.75in shoulders, 30 inch waist.  So Moose has it now.  The two new suits come from a very reputable seller who sells a lot of new-with-tags Brooks and Press, so he's familiar with how a sack jacket should fit.  I emailed him to make sure there was no funny business with the measuring.  As for fit, there are some photos of me in various suits in the Ivy League Style for Today thread.  My digital just died and I don't have a stand-up mirror in my apartment, which makes it difficult. 

Moose--I'm curious, how does the stuff I sent you compare to a Brooks size 36 fit-wise?  I imagine most of the jackets are probably slightly larger than a boys size 20.

PS If anyone knows how to move this thread over to the Talk Ivy section....

Last edited by bandofoutsiders (2008-08-07 06:35:29)

 

#23 2008-08-07 05:42:05

Moose Maclennan
Ivy Inspiration
From: Hernando's Hideaway
Posts: 4577

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

bandofoutsiders wrote:

...Moose--I'm curious, how does the stuff I sent you compare to a Brooks size 36 fit-wise?  I imagine most of the jackets are probably slightly larger than a boys size 20...

I don't have a Brooks 36 suit or jacket to compare, but the jackets I got from you are fairly roomy. I'll be able to wear a v-neck sweater underneath them.

Brooks size 20 is trim, size 19 (my tweed jacket) is skinny. Neither 'load up' too well with cigs, cell phone and whatever.
I suspect the boys' sizes, even when they measure up the same as small adult sizes, have higher armholes, skinnier arms, and less allowance across the breadth of the back.

Vintage size 36 is a bit hit and miss, sometimes they are pretty close fitting. I think I got lucky with the 38's you sent me.

 

#24 2008-08-07 18:31:38

Incroyable
Member
Posts: 2310

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

I've always loved the Brooks two button cuff.


Jukebox Babe

 

#25 2008-08-08 20:10:18

Jeeves
The Gentleman's Gentleman
Posts: 420

Re: Recent Old Ivy Finds

I moved the other Ivy Find thread to this side and merged it with the Ivy Finds Continued thread. Apologies if the sequence doesn't quite make sense but there was a point when they were both active so read carefully. smile

 

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