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#1 2006-06-24 05:50:11

Miles Away
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Calling all "Trads" -

Can I encourage anybody who would like to talk about the Trad phenomenon to use this thread?
Please use a phoney name so the folks back home at your usual forum won't know it's you. In fact a phoney name might prove to be a must for this to work.
The more open & unselfconscious your input the more interesting it could turn out to be.
Trad fascinates me and the POV of different kinds of Trad fascinate me even more.
This really is an ofshoot of AHAT but one which is, I hope, an open door for people to just talk about whatever.
Abuse is welcome and so are serious points which you might want to make about what is called Trad.

I've spoken about my developing point of view on Trad - and you are all very welcome to do the same here.

Defend Trad. Bash Trad. Anything. You will all recieve my attention.
Orthodox Trads...
Unorthodox Trads...
Use this thread (If you want to) without feeling that there is any need to toe the party line.
Lampoon if you must, but something from the heart would be of much more value. Either way I'd be happy to engage with you.

Miles Away.

PS: I think that this might only be possible here on FNB... I will personally 'moderate' as much as I can whatever gets posted here (I have, of course no real power to do so). The intention is to get people talking & to see what comes out. It could be interesting. I'll be to blame whatever happens so why not let rip? I'll probably get banned not you over here so please speak freely.

Last edited by Miles Away (2006-06-24 07:09:48)


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#2 2006-06-25 08:36:45

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Just a little bump for my well read thread -
Is the Trad thing linked to the US economy? Is it linked to the way that America is under a bit more pressure than before in the eyes of the world politically?
Any thoughts?
Peter York wrote in 'Modern Time's in the Early '80s about 'Reactionary Chic' - Is Trad an off-shoot of RC? Back to basics? The longing for old certainties?

End of bump.

Thank you for reading -

Mr. Miles Away.


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#3 2006-06-27 01:59:06

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#4 2006-06-27 04:49:50

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

My name is Russell Street.
I write and I teach.
I once saw the OPH across a crowded bathhouse  -
Barry Manilow was playing the piano for Bette Middler at the time (Sp? and sp? again...)
I picked up the book that night (along with a rather nasty rash) and fled.
My life is very different now.
Please don't rake up the past like this Horace, I'm now an American Arisocrap...
You can call me something suitably tweedy...
My new name is Donny Gall.

M.

Last edited by Miles Away (2006-06-28 00:35:09)


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#5 2006-06-28 00:26:38

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Hi Miles, your view of trad as jazz/modernist (in a midcentury sense) is excellent and I approve 100%.  While I like the trad thing it does have a definite air about it of trying to look old money or a Young Republican or both.  By adding a jazzy sort of spin to it it can avoid that trap. I am interested to hear further. 

The basic trad uniform is : loafers, flat front khakis, OCBD, repp tie, blazer.  It works, but needs a little adjustment to make it hipper.  What would you change or do to the basic trad uniform by way of a jazz injection?

 

#6 2006-06-28 00:56:15

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#7 2006-06-28 04:29:49

Horace
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#8 2006-06-28 06:24:07

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

I shall treat the OPH question seriously this time -
But of course - I've read it cover to cover & still have my well thumbed copy on my bookshelves.
When it came out in the States I was tipped off by a friend, so I ordered it from Hatchards & had them fly me in a copy. Really.
I could see 'Sloan Ranger' and a lot of humour in it too. I enjoyed it as I do anything Ivy related.
It wasn't 'a design for living' for me, but it certainly added to my collection of all things Ivy.
It's a funny book.
I'm a Prep & Public School boy (in the English sense) & we have nothing like the self-conscious codified Preppy style over here. It might be fun if we had.
M.


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#9 2006-06-28 10:03:32

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Miles Away old chum,

This is an important topic that you and Horace raise and it deserves more input.

I must admit that just once at a secret meeting of my super secret society in university, my old chum's pinky ring reflected the light accross the room where I noticed a copy of the OPH.  You can imagine the row that this caused when I found out what it was.

Why do you suggest that we should we use phoney names to post here?  My name is Bradford Astoria N/A Chauncey III.  My old chums call me Trip

Cheers

 

#10 2006-06-28 11:20:47

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Lovely to hear from you Trip.
Most of the action relating to this thread turned out to be on the PM service here. The whole 'phoney name' thing wasn't necessary as it turned out. I honestly hadn't really thought of the PM service when I tried to open up a kind of mimi-forum here. People have been 'posting' using their usual FNB log-ins pretty much. Some are guys with other names from elsewhere, as for the rest, who knows? My only comment on all that is that they could all have posted on the forum here & not PM'd I should have thought. Maybe the freedom here was new to them & they didn't trust it? Maybe they didn't trust me? Either way I got some good feedback to which I can now add yours.
All the beast -
Miles.


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#11 2006-06-28 13:41:37

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

The OPH question is an interesting one.
I think it's some sort of a test for proper 'Trads' isn't it?
It's important to not have read it or know about it & yet to conform to it.
It goes back to the 'authenticity' thing no doubt - It's important that your 'Trad' is instinctive & genetic to some, not just 'a look from a book'.
All interesting stuff... The 'birthright' Trad is the most prized isn't he?
Ivy in Europe is easier. We just like the clothes. If we associate them with anything it's only Jazz & films. Harmless stuff!
'Sloane Ranger' in England was never as strict as 'Trad' is now on certain forums...
And I've a feeling that 'Trad' is maybe the more important of the two phenomenons potentially...
Chip in here or PM in the usual way if you fancy.
Miles.


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#12 2006-06-28 15:08:18

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Miles - in some ways I am the mirror image of your UK American Trad fan as I have always loved the full-on Anglo thing, savile row, tweed, if I could dress like anyone it would be Bertie Wooster.  When I hit goal weight in about a year (and keep it off for six months) I am going to London for some bespoke clothing.  But here it doesn't really have the same class barriers or implications, it's just Anglophilia.  When removed from its native climes, the clothing items of desire can be appreciated on their own merits rather than as an attempt to gain membership in some kind of club.  I am not interested in looking like an 'authentic' multi-millionaire, as at least here they tend to wear the same polo shirts and khaki shorts as anyone else, but they do drive nicer cars.

 

#13 2006-06-28 15:14:21

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#14 2006-06-28 15:17:23

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#15 2006-06-29 00:37:46

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#16 2006-06-29 00:39:11

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#17 2006-06-29 00:45:33

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#18 2006-06-29 06:57:58

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#19 2006-06-30 01:49:39

Horace
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#20 2006-07-02 01:52:21

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Seriously, H. -
Dark Tweed in the evening? Usually Charcoal Herringbone.
I like the look more than a Blazer after 6PM if I'm not wearing a suit.
I'm not overly anxious here, just looking for the official AHAT verdict.
Miles.


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#21 2006-07-03 17:40:10

Horace
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#22 2006-07-03 18:17:24

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Tweed in the city? I hope youre speaking of faux tweed looking stuff. I went to a part the other night, I can only imagine what I wouldve looked and felt like in a tweed suit.

 

#23 2006-07-03 18:39:51

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Re: Calling all "Trads" -


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#24 2006-07-04 01:10:13

Miles Away
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Always good to have the proper answers to these questions - Thanks.
Grey Tweed in the city (Shock! Horror!) is very nice. Real Tweed or just Herringbone wool in various weights & shades. For business it has that 'I've just popped into the office to see you all but really I'm actually busy eleswhere today' look. It's another way of annoying people who are working hard and taking what they do seriously. I wouldn't wear green or brown etc, however, but Grey I like... from a distance you blend in and then up close you stand out.
Tweed for city socialising is usually just jackets with me, not suits.
The weather needs to be right to do it though. In England that means probably October to April, depending on the weight of the cloth.
As I say, it's a nice look & one which I can recall seeing various of my relations doing too. Now that I know it is officially wrong I can wear it with an added frisson!
I suppose the look I'm aiming for with it is kind of "Gentleman Amateur" - it's a good disguise for my lack of any real practical ability at work!
Miles.

Edit: I'm talking of 'smooth' Tweeds here - Cheviot etc, not a hairy Harris.

Last edited by Miles Away (2006-07-04 01:17:41)


" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.

 

#25 2006-07-04 01:18:30

Horace
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Re: Calling all "Trads" -

Dear Miles,

I'm glad you're taking this so well; for remember, I don't make the rules, I just pronounce upon them.  AHAT's an authority. And there's no disputing that.


Thank you, and Be of Good Cheer,


Horace


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

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