I think the 'Ivy Diaspora' is only really to found hanging out here.
London, by its own admission, has a 'handful' of dedicated Ivy dressers. Rest of the UK probably as many again.
We have slightly less than that in The Netherlands and Germany, and a couple in Scandinavia.
Japan anyone?
(Do chime in if I am forgetting anyone, I'd be thrilled.)
Lonesome Ivy dressers of the diaspora, why do you dress in this particular way?
Last edited by heikki k (2009-09-17 06:26:09)
Although I don't consider myself to be a proper Ivy dresser in any strict sense the style itself does make sense. I most certainly do not want to look like your average Dutchman thanks very much. I'm often mistaken for being British as I've mentioned before but we're talking mainly impressions here. It's often mentioned that the IL style allows you to grow gracefully old which I like. The sporty element of the style ( or even the preppy one, if you like ) I can also appreciate. It's a mix and match thing to me anyway and I'm also aware of different connotations certain items may have in various nations so it's important to take surroundings into consideration. Basically I still think it's a pretty cosmopolitan look whatsoever, when carried out carefully. I also particularly liked the phrase used by GG saying the style can make you look older ( if so desired that is ) when being young and definitely can make one look younger when being a bit older. Charming and distinctive I think were the words used. There's no need to look like a revivalist either I'd say.
I admire the egalitarian notion behind the US clothing tradition.
'I want to stand out, but not too loudly.'
Good, that.
This 'hardcore punk to ivy' thing crops up a lot, doesn't it. Just sayin'...
Last edited by Alex Roest (2009-09-17 07:55:46)
First I wanted to be Rob Petrie. Then I wanted to live in a Woody Allen movie. Now I'm just looking for Audrey Hepburn's cat.
I suppose for me I can look at it personally, or maybe step back a bit.
From afar, (being one of the young ones on here) it is cool. Or rather it can be cool, if I want it to be. It's not shouting LOOK AT ME, I'M DIFFERENT. Or I'm wearing the supposedly coolest brand. It's something which seems effortlessly cool (regardless of the lengths you go to to find certain items..!). Yet I'm taking inspiration, not copying something (maybe as I get older I'll fit more with a more classic look, but for now I'm young!), although it's a big inspiration I'm giving it my own twist, something current as well as classic (after all, getting girls is more important than looking similar to someone who's twice my age!!). Overall, I love the look and naturalness of ivy, and in England it's easy to have an edginess about it, even with basic casual clothes.
People notice that I dress differently, but they can never put their finger on it, and to me, that sort of idea is cool (I've realised I've mentionned that word cool a lot, apologies - on a side note, people always note how 'smartly dressed' I am, solely because I wear a shirt! That's kids today for you).
On a more personal level, it's good to me, liking something a bit different, but not making strict effort to be part of a sub-culture, this or that....which is where it seemed that I was at with mod in a way. Where preppy has a social status thing attached (although I take inspiration also from certain bits), and trad seems to have something very uncool and fixed attached to it, ivy to me, has that natural charm about it without trying too hard.
And relax....
I said a lot more than I would have liked! Sorry lads...
Punk rock changed the the face of fashion, music, graphics etc. You name it, right across the board. Ivy style however, much as we all love it, is a small footnote in fashion history i'm afraid. I think we are all trying to make out this is all a bit more exciting than it actually is.
Last edited by Beatnik (2009-09-17 10:08:30)
hmmm....
one could argue that Hip Hop/ Rap, which happened at about the same time as Punk rock/ New Wave, is way more important as a cultural force, and that Punk Rock is a footnote...
What is Punk Rock nowadays? Green Day?
To compare "Punk" and "Ivy" doesn't work at all, I guess...
In the world of fashion "Punk" is meaningless, nothing but a footnote that comes up now and then again... I don't know...
Obviously not a student of modern fashion then Hank. We will tell Vivian Westwood, John Galliano or Alexander McQueen, to name a few, that "punk" is meaningless shall we? You're right about one thing though. You really don't know...
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