I think of every invented term surrounding the TNSIL style as somewhat uncouth to be honest. Even Ivy-ist or Ivy Stylist is a term I may use with some seriousness behind it BTS, but in public I think it doesn't sound right at all and why anyone would like to think of themselves in such terms is more or less beyond me.

... Khakis actually came late as a part of  'The Look' - 'Ivy' as a marketing term pre-exists them.
Alden's Chinos were Khakis being assimilated into the cannon of a style which was already there.

- And round & round we go!

Which was why trying to give a new name & new rules to all this was always doomed.

Trad was only a useful term online amongst those who had already bought into its existence. The Ivy League style is the commonest name in the old books & ads for this look, why make up a new name & give it new rules?

Agreed though that the semantics are tiresome - But that was the game that Trad started.

Wikipedia's full of preposterous crap. Why make a fuss about this?

Should we cue "Trouble In Paradise" by the Crests?

How is this noteworthy? A bunch of people who couldn't give a shit about something are not giving a shit about it. Hardly worth it, I'd say.

Conor

To really wring this dry one could say that Wiki is indeed crap... but Trad isn't good enough for even them.

Semantics and petty jealousies seem to be at the heart of this particular debate.

No doubt that a caricature distillation of the style has sprung up directly from the message boards themselves.

The andyland thread is interesting because it illustrates perfectly that there are voices for whom all this had little or no role in their lives Before Harris. Are they to be envied or pitied?

I can see how the 'Ivy' moniker isn't inclusive enough for some and in fact for a whole swathe of American society the term itself can have somewhat negative connotations.

The modern way of disseminating information seems to want to boil down often complex situations or states into easily digestible pieces. That's OK for the majority today, it would seem. The wikipedia generation deserves Trad for this reason. Most are keen to glean rather than learn: an important distinction.

For those who are happy with only a part of the story it's all fine. Similarly a more comprehensive and more detailed story is out there for those who wish to soak it all up.

They're only clothes. But what clothes.

I'm with NSB too.