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#1 2010-03-15 08:23:58
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
The (Ivy) Big Picture...
... So what is it?
Well, it's easier by far to say what it's not:
It isn't Modculture or AAAT, fine as they both may be...
... But they both have certain self-imposed restrictions within which they work.
And Ivy is so much bigger than that. Always has been.
'Mod' & 'Trad' can both fit into Ivy, but Ivy overflows both of them both in its creativity and scale.
I'm very happy to debate this.
Best,
#2 2010-03-15 12:46:19
- vwdolly
- Member
- From: UK
- Posts: 60
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
I look forward to the debate, I think I know the difference but then I see something and think hmmm . Enjoying reading and learning from all the threads 
Denise
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#3 2010-03-16 03:11:43
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
Ivy's problem is that it's too big, and so schisms have been manufactured to break it down into bite-sized chunks.
Mod, Trad, Preppy, WASP...
- Marketing niches.
... maybe?
(Good to see you still posting D. - I'd value more of your POV.)
#jim#
#4 2010-03-16 06:00:21
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
I'm working...
we will have to split it up in different topics, anyway...
and we could try to understand it with different approaches...
looking back from the present situation with all the stuff you're mentioning...
a genealogical approach?
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#6 2010-03-16 08:45:19
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
exactly...
I'm still interested in the roots of all this...
not like the Fedora Lounge people, "the Capone kids"...
it's not about that...
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#7 2010-03-16 08:57:29
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
topics for threads:
The Sack suit silhouette, New England and the Puritans...
Sports wear, and the business... the soft roll Polo colllar and the All-American button down shirt...
Campus fads and modern fashion classics... the rise of loafers, boat shoes and all that jazz...
Fabrics from Blighty... Harris Tweed Sports Coats, Shetland Sweaters, you name it...
....
you could make up titles for future threads about raincoats, Harringtons and all the other stuff we're already talking about, and try and see how these items have changed, how they were perceived, how they were priced etc...
you might start with a popular favourite, a contemporary classic... and you go back to the roots... where does it come from...
without just looking through your small window of Preppy, 1983 or Mod, 1964...
the bigger picture...
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#8 2010-03-16 09:15:45
- Just Jim
- Member
- Posts: 1159
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
^ I like this!
And so, in no order...
1) "Why the (Saddle) Buck will never stop here!"
2) "The Black Knit Tie: The Ultimate Club Tie!"
3) "OCBD OCD, WTF?"
4) "What a bunch of Bass-tards: A list of those who've ripped-off the Weejun!"
5) "Short on hair, long on style: The Ivy league Look - "
Etc.
#9 2010-03-16 09:28:23
- Just Jim
- Member
- Posts: 1159
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
Actually, we should do an even sadder list of deeply pathetic puns & titles for Mr. C*ntfolds to use...
1) Weedy, Dweeby, Tweedy: That Woody Allen Look.
2) The Sprez of Prez!
3) Bass-turbation!
4) Ivy-Derivey: The Second Hand Style of J. Crew!
5) Miles To Go Before I Sleep: Late Night Jazz Faves!
#11 2010-03-16 10:43:31
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
Wow, that's the spirit!
It's fun, is it?
there's a lot more nice topics for us to explore...
What was it this afternoon?
Getting ILL or getting rich... the TB disease... Ivier than Ivy, a childish fad, an irresponible exaggeration or a new Jivy Ivy?
the Ivy influence in the Boom Years... even some of the cheapest Carnaby Street clothes were influenced by IL
stitches per inch... cost cutting, quality control and an honest product... not just a matter of outsourcing!
and what about...
modernism and the old tradition... 1965...
the "roots" and the "rules"... imitation and adaptation...
there is a hierarchy! (a hot topic... serious stuff for controversy...)
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#12 2010-03-16 10:55:17
- Patrick
- Member
- Posts: 2646
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
"The Floating Crotch" — When are chinos too baggy?
Is cigar ash the "secret ingredient" in a really good chili?
If it's a disturbing trend for men to dress like teenagers, is it worse to dress like the teenagers of 50 years ago?
Otter : Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon : I thought you were pre-med.
Otter : What's the difference?
#13 2010-03-16 11:29:46
- Big Tony
- Member
- Posts: 5478
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."
#16 2010-03-16 12:36:26
- vwdolly
- Member
- From: UK
- Posts: 60
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
Im afraid as yet my understanding is quite basic, which is why I joined the forum. I have a fairly good grasp of the mod style as I grew up with it and love the clothing. Preppy I get, thats quite easy to define. However Ivy seems a more diverse look, with a central pillar of style and with more individual interpretation?
Denise
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#17 2010-03-16 12:57:02
- Patrick
- Member
- Posts: 2646
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
I thought you guys would zero in on the phrase "floating crotch."
Otter : Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon : I thought you were pre-med.
Otter : What's the difference?
#18 2010-03-16 19:21:02
- katon
- Member
- Posts: 363
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
leather-sole blucher mocs, jeans, a ratty Shetland crewneck and a buffalo-plaid shirt-jac.
Grimy white Jack Purcells, slim-fit khakis, and a Yale t-shirt from the 1980s.
An untucked madras shirt with the sleeves rolled up, 5-pocket ecru painter's twills, and bare feet.
Really, I've no clue. It's a dead language, anyhow. Like Church Latin.
#19 2010-03-17 03:10:49
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
And just like Church Latin it is kept alive by a few die-hards. A nice comparison.
#21 2010-03-18 07:57:19
- vwdolly
- Member
- From: UK
- Posts: 60
Re: The (Ivy) Big Picture...
Thanks I will take a look, really enjoying reading this forum. Very friendly....
Denise
Second Hand Designer, Ex-Hire Formal Wear & Classic Vintage Clothing
Quality men's vintage, designer & high-end clothing, ex-hire formalwear & accessories. Online shop dedicated to affordable quality clothes for gentlemen.
