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#1 2010-05-23 04:12:46

Taylor McIntyre
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Beat It -

 

#2 2010-05-23 04:58:12

nouvelle vague
A Distillation of Ivy Inspiration.
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Re: Beat It -

What an exiting time it must have been for those cats finding all this 'stuff' for the first time exploring it andFll the links in between.
From one writer like kerouac and the links to the other guys like corso ginsberg.
the contiental soho influence of hip euro guys. the french flicks jbp.
visiting jazz heads/  american cats. GI's civvy influences. finding A look in all of this. mixing the elements.
Finding THE clothes. imports swapping blagging bespoke. cool early undifined style, hip to those who were living it.

Not to underestimate the ferocity of appetite for the new after all the austerity that had been present.
and the adavantages of working class kids going to art school and Experiencing new changing ideals and challenging ideas and their wider out look.
travel culture .. A perfect point in a time of change,a culmination of multiple factors coming together.

Last edited by nouvelle vague (2010-05-23 05:50:18)


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#3 2010-05-23 13:01:33

4F Hepcat
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Re: Beat It -

All the above is true - On The Road and the Kerouac's first novel, The Town and The City (well the last couple of chapters) is pure '40's be-bop. 

Nor was On The Road scroll written in a mammoth benzedrine fuelled six day session, or dictated by the Holy Ghost, as Kerouac would have us believe. There were several versions and revisions along the way.

The whole Beat movement became a fad, even Alfred E. Neuman in Mad devoted a whole edition to the stereotypical Beat who had become a figure of derision and comedy back in 1958.

The classical Beatnik was deemed as listening to West Coast cool jazz, not the hard bop of the urbane black East Coast.

There is a Kerouac-jazz interface, but as much as I hate to say it, there is no real Ivy-Kerouac interface, at least one that worked.  Sartorially speaking, Kerouac was closer to Woody Guthrie than to Miles Davis. He did hang around in the clubs with Gillespie and Parker in the '40's. And Kerouac led me to jazz (well a deeper interest) that in turn riffed me onto Ivy.

Of course, as Burroughs liked to remind us, Kerouac sold more blue jeans than anyone and started the whole hippy shit, or at least some hippies stole some of his alcohol and benzedrine adled bop prosody and made it their own.

And let us not forget, that Kerouac's work - The Dulouz Legend - was written in spontaneous bop-prosody/be-bop poetics. As I've said before, Ivy is at its most powerful and intoxicating when allied with jazz.


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#4 2010-05-23 13:20:18

nouvelle vague
A Distillation of Ivy Inspiration.
Posts: 452

Re: Beat It -

^Hey hepcat, I find it funny that the word 'hippie' was a derogatory term by beatniks for people deemed to be trying to be hip to it and live the lifestyle.
spawned a whole new thang eh.


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#5 2010-05-23 13:43:19

4F Hepcat
THE Cat
Posts: 14333

Re: Beat It -

The real Beats - Kerouac in his prime, was too filled with the Dharma to be derogatory to anyone.

There's not one word of hatred, or passage of pornographic violence in any the words of Dulouz Legend, and yet he was the outcast.

I'm not convinced that Kerouac spawned a whole new thing, the new thang, has been with us since at least the Romantics and of course, a lot longer before. Of course, the 'Trane started a whole new thing.


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#6 2010-05-24 05:12:38

nouvelle vague
A Distillation of Ivy Inspiration.
Posts: 452

Re: Beat It -

No brother I was refering to the origins in which the word was used by kids for other kids. not kerouauc himself.
And the word digressing to mean something else alltogether. best


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