Hello. My first post on the forum - I've been getting gradually more obsessed with the Ivy style for a while now - so I thought this place would be right up my strasse, so to speak. I've met a least one of you that I know of in the non-virtual world - and maybe more....?
Anyhow, I wondered if anyone has tried the madras BDs that Uniqlo are selling - hard to tell from the photos on their website - but the collars look a bit small - and what about the quality? Are they worth a punt for the price or will I be wasting my money?
Thanks.
I think the consensus was that while the website pictured button-down collars the shirts in reality did not actually have BD collars. I checked a few of the London stores last summer and none had a Madras button-down in stock.
New Madras should never really be expensive. For something so artisanal and hand-made in nature it's cheap to buy as it is (perhaps an unfortunate choice of word) 'properly' sourced from the genuine Third World. If you're paying more at Brooks Brothers you're paying more of a mark-up for their branding and marketing as well as the special characteristics of their shirtmaking (such as they are these days).
It would be nice to think of the individual producers of genuine Madras fabrics banding together to create some form of appellation society like Harris or Donegal tweed and getting some tangible financial recognition for creating an iconic fabric. Sadly that will probably never happen.
^ First they'd need to distinguish between madras patterned shirts and those made of genuine madras fabric woven in India.
The Uniqlos are of the first kind. Nice and cheap shirts these, I have some of last year's. They don't have the button down collar.
Indeed. I was looking at the JPress ones the other day - and there's a lot of mark up on those shirts! (Though they are on sale at the moment - so I might put in an order - I've had pretty good mail order service off them before).
Presumably though, there's "Madras" and Madras - if you know what I mean.
Aha - see sbove!
Last edited by Harpo (2010-05-27 08:41:16)
They had a few madras bds in about a month ago. The collar is not as small as it looks in photos, but it isnt perfect either.
If you want a perfect collar and roll Id look elsewhere. But for the money they are ok, uniqlo seems to have dried up a bit.
I bought one at the Oxford street store last week, this year there are some with button downs and some without but, as you say, the collar is very small. On the plus side some of the colours are very nice. Quality wise, for a £14.99 shirt it's fine, better than the new gant madras, which was several times more expensive, that I put my finger through while taking it off last night!
I don't have any but some of Lands End ones look ok too, unfortunatley again with very small collars.
http://www.landsend.co.uk/pp/Madras-Shirt~3853_59.html?bcc=y&CM_MERCH=IDX_00001__0000000112&origin=index
I picked up 2 s/s sleeve last year, nice soft cotton, but no b/d collar, still look nice under a sport coat. My only slight gripe, the finish (as expected at the price) isn't brilliant, on one shirt the sleeves are uneven width, still, i only tried on the other one and bought the same size, should of tried them both!!
They still have a fairly good range of these in the various Oxford Street and Regent Street stores, perhaps in others too. At £15 they're certainly cheap, but even at that price I've found them easy to resist. I think last year's range, though lacking the button-down collar, was more enticing.
On the subject of true madras, I have searched London's fabric shops for the real thing and come up with nothing. From Berwick Street to Goldhawk Road, Edgware Road to Brick Lane, my requests are greeted with incomprehension. This may be a matter of terminology, but neither have I spotted anything which remotely resembles madras on my travels. Despite this, it's hard to believe that it's completely unobtainable.
Yes, I was disappointed last summer to find that there was a distinct lack of the BD versions on the shelves in the Uniqlo stores that I visited. That said, their pairs of 'Madras' shorts in the same colour ways were pretty decent for the money and have washed well. No 'bleed' though needless to say.
Staceyboy
p.s. Croeso i "Talk Ivy", Harpo.
For all you wee men O'Connell's would seem to be the de-facto destination. They still appear to have lots of new and old-stock Madras shirts in small sizes.
I bought one two weeks back in Oxford st. BD and made in India. Really nice fabric. Collar a bit small but then many 60s s/s BDs had smaller collars. Sleeves have nice turn up detail.
Can't go wrong for 15 quid for knockabouts.
Last edited by Chris_H (2010-05-27 10:01:14)
Can you add a button to the collar? I know you won't get the collar roll, but wonder if they might look neater with that addition?
The New York Uniqlo (i.e. the only one in the US) had them with buttondown collars and point collars. Most were point but a few were buttondown. The tag stated made in India.
Uniqlo shirts are quite a close fit - a bit on the skimpy side. I have some of their Madras patterned shirts from a year or two back and apart from the close fit they are fine.
I also have O'Connell's bleeding Madras. The fabrics do not bleed like Ivy Shop Madras from the early 70s.
Incidently, and it will bore you know, my mum worked at Uniqlo when it first came to the UK in the late 90's. It wasn't a success first time around and they shut up shop.
Uniqlo fills that market that Gap should really belong to. Great for students and as Weejun says, "for knocking around in".