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#26 2010-09-16 09:02:42

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

A new hippydom!  Pass the smelling salts.

No offence, John.

 

#27 2010-09-16 09:06:38

Toffeeman
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

The punk in you hates that. Hippies in Weejuns? It's a new world order.

TM

 

#28 2010-09-16 09:08:37

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

LOL!  You're a bugger sometimes, you know that?

Weller's Janis Joplin in drag.

 

#29 2010-09-16 09:13:50

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

What was the original point I was trying to make?

 

#30 2010-09-16 09:15:15

Toffeeman
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

You won't find me defending Weller. His decline is a defining moment in my middle age. I can't watch or listen to him now. No groove, no soul, no relevance. And the hair and the expensive but awful clothes. No, Chico Hamilton is my new pin-up. Him and Jerry Garcia and Ken Kesey.

TM

 

#31 2010-09-16 09:21:34

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Hamilton, Garcia and Kesey!  Fuck's sake!

 

#32 2010-09-16 09:24:09

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Tony Perkins, Zero Mostel and Marty Feldman for me.  Straight up.

 

#33 2010-09-16 09:52:02

Alex Roest
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

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#34 2010-09-16 10:05:15

woofboxer
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Ivy is a less mainstream and more subtle part of the retro movement, a way of dressing that's all, I've even heard that it's not compulsory to like jazz.  When you start ascribing philosophy and 'lifestyle' (hate the expression) to a mode of dress then you're getting close to talking a load of tosh.

Nostalgia for bygone times has been around since the Industrial Revolution.  As the pace of change accellerates and life becomes less familiar and more scary so the tendency to look back on the past with fondness increases - up to a point. I say up to a point because all we are talking about here is an indulgent way of using some of our disposable income.  If you lose your job and your house is repossessed you probably stop worrying about whether Bass Weejuns are still as good as they used to be.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

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#35 2010-09-16 10:13:51

Bishop of Briggs
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image


Contrary to lies of FNB and Woofboxer, I (and most of the other "Buff Bastards") have been banned from posting on this forum. There are only a few posters left so don't waste your time on here. This forum is dead and nobody cares.

 

#36 2010-09-16 10:19:29

woofboxer
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

Achievements: banned from the Ivy Style FB Group

 

#37 2010-09-16 10:54:36

Hard Bop Hank
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From: land of a 1000 dances
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image


“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"

 

#38 2010-09-16 11:20:21

Big Tony
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#39 2010-09-16 11:23:13

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

The point is indeed that is an 'American' look.

... Big place, America, with lots of different people in it.

 

#40 2010-09-16 11:58:32

Moose Maclennan
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#41 2010-09-16 12:05:02

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Oh, what a time of it we're having!

 

#42 2010-09-16 12:18:43

Kingstonian
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Big Tony's description fits in with all those programmes on the telly 'My Three Sons' etc. Times were good and getting better. Consumption was conspicuous.

What's not to like?

 

#43 2010-09-16 12:37:15

EastVillageTrad
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

As one that didn't attend an Ivy League school, but counts many friends/colleagues and club-mates who did, here in NYC I can tell you the old-Ivy look is by no means dead, but hardly followed to the letter as it once was.

Some recent observations from Manhattan;

With the younger set; The 'preppy-esque' look predominates now, I tend towards a true old-Ivy look as much as I can, whilst the more affected preppy look predominates 20-30 somethings on Nantucket and with the squash players at the Princeton Club.  You see less buttondown shirts, and more of the VV type neckwear...

With the older set; I was at a party at an old NY social institution, an older crowd of folks, this past Tuesday night and there were some sack suits and jackets, crowd was made up of conservative bankers / lawyers, &c.  but not as many had the old-Ivy look as would have been there on a night 40-50 years ago... obviously a sign of "O Tempora O Mores..."


"Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes..." - Thoreau

 

#44 2010-09-16 13:11:17

Harpo
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image


Randy lower-class trifler

 

#45 2010-09-16 13:19:05

Alex Roest
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#46 2010-09-16 13:24:13

Kingstonian
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

''President John F. Kennedy passed the largest tax cut in history upon entering office in 1961. $200 billion in war bonds matured, and the G.I. Bill financed a well-educated work force. The middle class swelled, as did GDP and productivity. The U.S. underwent a kind of golden age of economic growth. This growth was distributed fairly evenly across the economic classes, which some attribute to the strength of labor unions in this period—labor union membership peaked historically in the U.S. during the 1950s, in the midst of this massive economic growth. President Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–69) dreamed of creating a "Great Society", and began many new social programs to that end, such as Medicaid and Medicare. The government financed some of private industry's research and development throughout these decades, most notably ARPANET (which would become the Internet).'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States

Sounds pretty good to me - unless you are some sort of bleeding heart.

 

#47 2010-09-16 14:32:46

Big Tony
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

it was a period in which blue collar workers might have been schlepping to work in factories but they knew they could send their kids to college and see those kids become white collar workers, that's why all those people left Europe for the new world: because they were more interested in class mobility than class warfare, that's what the UK ivy fans were attracted to when bits & pieces started filtering over the pond


"What sort of post-apocalyptic deathscape is this?"
"I don't want to look like a cock hungry sailor after all !!!"
"When it comes to infidelity, broken families, and reckless fatherhood, the underclass are amateurs."

 

#48 2010-09-16 15:03:23

D. Adams
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

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#49 2010-09-16 15:17:36

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

Duality.  Let's hear something from, say, Horace or farrago.

 

#50 2010-09-16 15:22:53

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Potency Of An Ivy Image

My ideal is to look - more or less - conservative: in a kind of 50s West Coast sense.  It's that look I strive for.  My original point - before Toffeeman went off on one after Big Tony's very reasonable posting - was about 'image'.  Style over substance again?

 

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