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Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-05 10:03:17

The_Shooman wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
The_Shooman wrote:

l'm actually fairdinkum about all of this mate. l wanna go back to the stars and stay there.
No, Shooey, old son. It doesn't work like that:

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
There can be no saints without sentient beings.
Spoken By The Supreme Master Ching Hai
Kaohsiung, Formosa
January 10, 1990
Alright...just a quick answer to this before l get back to work.

Saints are generally 3rd level beings (quite a high level), some saints are 4th level beings (very high level), most people on the earth are a 1st level (low level beings). Because saints haven't reached the 5th level, they still need a physical body and come back (not necessarily to this world) to some world to learn some lessons and evolve ALOT more until they eventually reach the 5th level and go home to the stars. When people reach the 3rd level they only have a 2 - 3% attachment to earthly stuff like materialism, idol conversation, lust, internet forums etc. But saints are still only 3rd level and sometimes they become fallen saints because that 2 - 3% attachment come come undone and they lose their level and go back down to 2nd or even 1st level. Many women hang around saints and want to be with them (this is the universes way of testing their true sincerity), and some saints get distracted by the earthly desires and take a downfall because they truely aren't ready to move above such things.

The Dalai Lama is a 3rd level being and he wouldn't have much attachment to materialism, lust and all those things. The problem with the Dalai Lama is that he has a huge stumbling block that WILL stop him from evolving any further in this life, he lacks proper compassion for living beings because he eats meat, and if you take the life of a living being, there is only so far you can go up the scale. lf he doesn't change his ways in this lifetime he will need to come back to some world (probably a higher level world much better than Earth) and learn the lessons he needs to in order to become a higher level being. When you die as a 5th level being you lose your body and become a light and sound source. Bodies are only created because it helps a person evolve quicker (if they practise a clean life and meditate hard), because the physical life is much tougher and makes you earn your stripes. So that's how it works.

Late edit: then we have beings like Jesus, Buddha, and Ching Hai who are supposed to be something like 9th level beings. People only need to be 5th level to be perfect, but these 9th level beings have incomprehendable powers and choose to come back to a shitty planet in a shitty physical body and suffer all the shit we create so they can help us rise up. lt took Ching Hai 3,000 years to be able to walk the Earth because the coarse vibration level was uncomfortable and painful for her. But the things is, from what l understand, is that these 9th level beings have billions or even zillions of followers all throughout the universe that draw on their power because all the masters have been around in physical bodies for millions of years or more and lived on countless planets helping people, that why many planets are highly evolved now, but many aren't very evolved yet either. l could be wrong, 6th, 7th,8th and 9th level beings is beyond any Earth comprehension. l believe that Ching Hai is on the counsel of twenty that look after the universe, and l believe that the counsel doesn't even have a head quarters in the galaxy. And considering that we have 200 billion planets with life in this galaxy, and that we have at least 200 billion galaxies in the universe, that's a bloody HUGE piece of space she is helping...no wonder 9th level beings have incomprehendable powers. Each planet has a being in charge of it (not necessarily a `master'...some planets have such aweful people that no `master' would ever go there), and most planets have life (not like NASA want to tell us).

Fascinating stuff, Shooey. But it doesn't negate my suggestion that you can't be fairdinkum about humanity dying out because once again to quote the Supreme Master Ching Hai 'There can be no saints without sentient beings.'

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
Do you know why there won't be any saints if there are no sentient beings? We have the great wisdom, the great compassion and the great power within us, which comes forth when we want it in earnest. Our inner wisdom is one with the universe, and we can, after becoming saints, manifest into any form we wish or any form preferred by sentient beings. It is very scientific. There is nothing mysterious about it.

Spoken By The Supreme Master Ching Hai
Kaohsiung, Formosa
January 10, 1990
(Originally In Chinese)

It seems pretty basic mate.

Fritz the Cat · 2012-03-05 10:05:07

One weekend was enough time for the great Thomas Mann to write one paragraph, for Rossini to compose an entire belcanto opera and for me to finish my tax return, cry a little bit over it and then read Ordinary Firestorms by William Boyd. I can understand now why he is sold as the new le Carré. With more knowledge than I have about the city of London its probably even better.

Film Noir Buff wrote:
I need a good book about Ireland before the Vikings. I understand that the Celtic Irish were so advanced we would have had space travel hundreds of years earlier if the Norwegians hadnt almost wrecked the island.

Ireland was in the hands of the monasteries and they were well fed enough to have time to compose Dark age jingles about cats.

Pangur Ban

I and Pangur Ban, my cat,
'Tis a like task we are at;
Hunting mice is his delight,
Hunting words I sit all night.

Better far than praise of men
'Tis to sit with book and pen;
Pangur bears me no ill will;
He, too, plies his simple skill.

'Tis a merry thing to see
At our task how glad are we,
When at home we sit and find
Entertainment to our mind.

Oftentimes a mouse will stray
Into the hero Pangur's way;
Oftentimes my keen thought set
Takes a meaning in its net.

'Gainst the wall he sets his eye
Full and fierce and sharp and sly;
'Gainst the wall of knowledge I
All my little wisdom try.

When a mouse darts from its den.
O how glad is Pangur then!
O what gladness do I prove
When I solve the doubts I love!

So in peace our tasks we ply,
Pangur Ban, my cat and I;
In our arts we find our bliss,
I have mine, and he has his.

Practice every day has made
Pangur perfect in his trade ;
I get wisdom day and night,
Turning Darkness into light.'

Hm. I don’t want to claim I have any real knowledge about the history of Ireland. In the discussion if religion in general and Christianity in particular stifled or supported scientific progress the christianisation of Ireland is seen as a major contributor to the spread of literacy (although still reserved to a tiny elite, see “Ancient Literacy” by W. Harris for this). Nevertheless, there were a lot of much bigger setbacks in the advancement of humanity. There are a lot of fabulous books around about this subject, the following two are a good start: “The Oxford Handbookof Engineering and Technology in the classical world” and “Encyclopedia of ancient natural scientists: Greek tradition and its many heirs”. Christianity didn’t care that much about preserving any of this knowledge, a nice illustration for this is the fact that Galens work is nearly a fifth of everything that was handed down of ancient knowledge. Perhaps you tell us who made this claim?

So my lay assessment is that the Vikings for sure handicapped progress in Ireland, although not as much as the republican war on science is hurting the US right now

The_Shooman · 2012-03-05 21:07:14

Sammy Ambrose wrote:
The_Shooman wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:

No, Shooey, old son. It doesn't work like that:

Spoken By The Supreme Master Ching Hai
Kaohsiung, Formosa
January 10, 1990
Alright...just a quick answer to this before l get back to work.

Saints are generally 3rd level beings (quite a high level), some saints are 4th level beings (very high level), most people on the earth are a 1st level (low level beings). Because saints haven't reached the 5th level, they still need a physical body and come back (not necessarily to this world) to some world to learn some lessons and evolve ALOT more until they eventually reach the 5th level and go home to the stars. When people reach the 3rd level they only have a 2 - 3% attachment to earthly stuff like materialism, idol conversation, lust, internet forums etc. But saints are still only 3rd level and sometimes they become fallen saints because that 2 - 3% attachment come come undone and they lose their level and go back down to 2nd or even 1st level. Many women hang around saints and want to be with them (this is the universes way of testing their true sincerity), and some saints get distracted by the earthly desires and take a downfall because they truely aren't ready to move above such things.

The Dalai Lama is a 3rd level being and he wouldn't have much attachment to materialism, lust and all those things. The problem with the Dalai Lama is that he has a huge stumbling block that WILL stop him from evolving any further in this life, he lacks proper compassion for living beings because he eats meat, and if you take the life of a living being, there is only so far you can go up the scale. lf he doesn't change his ways in this lifetime he will need to come back to some world (probably a higher level world much better than Earth) and learn the lessons he needs to in order to become a higher level being. When you die as a 5th level being you lose your body and become a light and sound source. Bodies are only created because it helps a person evolve quicker (if they practise a clean life and meditate hard), because the physical life is much tougher and makes you earn your stripes. So that's how it works.

Late edit: then we have beings like Jesus, Buddha, and Ching Hai who are supposed to be something like 9th level beings. People only need to be 5th level to be perfect, but these 9th level beings have incomprehendable powers and choose to come back to a shitty planet in a shitty physical body and suffer all the shit we create so they can help us rise up. lt took Ching Hai 3,000 years to be able to walk the Earth because the coarse vibration level was uncomfortable and painful for her. But the things is, from what l understand, is that these 9th level beings have billions or even zillions of followers all throughout the universe that draw on their power because all the masters have been around in physical bodies for millions of years or more and lived on countless planets helping people, that why many planets are highly evolved now, but many aren't very evolved yet either. l could be wrong, 6th, 7th,8th and 9th level beings is beyond any Earth comprehension. l believe that Ching Hai is on the counsel of twenty that look after the universe, and l believe that the counsel doesn't even have a head quarters in the galaxy. And considering that we have 200 billion planets with life in this galaxy, and that we have at least 200 billion galaxies in the universe, that's a bloody HUGE piece of space she is helping...no wonder 9th level beings have incomprehendable powers. Each planet has a being in charge of it (not necessarily a `master'...some planets have such aweful people that no `master' would ever go there), and most planets have life (not like NASA want to tell us).
Fascinating stuff, Shooey. But it doesn't negate my suggestion that you can't be fairdinkum about humanity dying out because once again to quote the Supreme Master Ching Hai 'There can be no saints without sentient beings.'

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
Do you know why there won't be any saints if there are no sentient beings? We have the great wisdom, the great compassion and the great power within us, which comes forth when we want it in earnest. Our inner wisdom is one with the universe, and we can, after becoming saints, manifest into any form we wish or any form preferred by sentient beings. It is very scientific. There is nothing mysterious about it.
Spoken By The Supreme Master Ching Hai
Kaohsiung, Formosa
January 10, 1990
(Originally In Chinese)

It seems pretty basic mate.

She also confirmed old records that state that the Earth is indeed hollow and a second world DOES exist under the ground. ln fact, she used to teach the people inside inner earth. The people living under the ground (about 8km under) are what we call aliens, some are very dangerous and will kill, and others are nice folks. When you hear about miners dying underground, it is not always cave-ins...the miners sometimes run into the tunnels that lead to the surface of the Earth and encounter aliens and are killed and eaten.The authorities know this, but it is always covered up. The last records of the inside world under the ground were last removed in the 1920's, so now the public lives in further ignorance as to how the world really is. No air planes are allowed to fly over certain areas of the Artic and Antartica because the hollowness of the Earth can be easily seen.

That's why l say we need to stop going to school. School is illuminati run and it's primary aim is to give people misinformation so they are kept under control. Science say that the Earth has a hot molten core and says that no-one can live on the moon and there is no life on Mars etc etc, but this is blatant lies. lf you want a proper education, going to school is NOT the answer (school dumbs people down), accessing the universal power is the answer to real knowledge because it hasn't been altered by man. Schools are the work of the devil, so are libraries, religions and other such things.

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Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-06 01:40:28

The_Shooman wrote:
The people living under the ground (about 8km under) are what we call aliens, some are very dangerous and will kill, and others are nice folks. When you hear about miners dying underground, it is not always cave-ins...the miners sometimes run into the tunnels that lead to the surface of the Earth and encounter aliens and are killed and eaten.The authorities know this, but it is always covered up. The last records of the inside world under the ground were last removed in the 1920's, so now the public lives in further ignorance as to how the world really is. No air planes are allowed to fly over certain areas of the Artic and Antartica because the hollowness of the Earth can be easily seen.

^ From what I can tell she loses her patience with these aliens sometimes.

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
I have read one story about the aliens, extraterrestrials, the good ones, who have been mistakenly captured by some of the powerful nations; sometimes in America. And then they froze them. They did not kill them, just took their blood out and froze them. Because they wanted to extract some information for technical advancement, and these people don't speak. These aliens don't speak. So they froze them...

"I catch hold of any of you, I'll "beat" you, and scold you and make you kneel all day long until you go rescue your brothers." I am here, helpless because I don't have UFO, I don't have machine gun which can freeze people for one or two minutes, I can have nothing of this technique. Therefore I can not rescue your brothers.

And here you send a message saying that if we know, we may be able to rescue your brothers and sisters. Everything you could do it, because I say you have everything! You have UFO, you have gun, not shooting people dead but to freeze people in space for one or two minutes, then you can take your brothers out. Instead you let them suffer there and then you even send messages to say maybe if I know, or She knows, or everyone else knows about this message maybe one day we can help your brother and sister.

We have enough work to do in this world and you help nothing, and you want us even to help your brothers and sisters. I'd willingly help them, because I feel so much suffering when I read that. You know, when I read the extraterrestrial people suffer, I suffer too. But, I say why don't you do something, you know? This is not interference. If you come here, invade our earth or shoot other people or do something, then they would say interference, and then you swear you didn't interfere. That I understand, fine. But your brothers and sisters who suffer so much, for years and you do nothing about it. And you say you fear of the law of karma and non interference and all that. And your brothers and sisters suffering there, and then you talk big and you do this and that and protecting the earth and all that kind of...

I said it is bad enough that the world people, because of ignorance, they don't know it, therefore they harm your brothers and sisters. But you are the ones who know, you should do better, you shouldn't let your brother and sister suffer in the hands of the ignorant! Suppose the tiger takes hold of my brother. Okay, I don't kill the tiger because of my vow of non violence, fine, but I can make the tiger faint for two minutes and take my brother out... I can not sit there and reason to the tiger, look here the five precepts, look the vegetarian diet the Master Ching Hai tells everybody have keep etc... How can you reason with a tiger, you understand? The world people are very, very ignorant, therefore they do that kind of thing. Now, you already know they are ignorant and you reason with them, until when, and let your brothers and sisters suffer. I cannot believe it!

The_Shooman · 2012-03-06 03:36:50

Sammy Ambrose wrote:
^ From what I can tell she loses her patience with these aliens sometimes.
T....ai wrote:
I have read one story about the aliens, extraterrestrials, the good ones, who have been mistakenly captured by some of the powerful nations; sometimes in America. And then they froze them. They did not kill them, just took their blood out and froze them. Because they wanted to extract some information for technical advancement, and these people don't speak. These aliens don't speak. So they froze them...

"I catch hold of any of you, I'll "beat" you, and scold you and make you kneel all day long until you go rescue your brothers." I am here, helpless because I don't have UFO, I don't have machine gun which can freeze people for one or two minutes, I can have nothing of this technique. Therefore I can not rescue your brothers.

And here you send a message saying that if we know, we may be able to rescue your brothers and sisters. Everything you could do it, because I say you have everything! You have UFO, you have gun, not shooting people dead but to freeze people in space for one or two minutes, then you can take your brothers out. Instead you let them suffer there and then you even send messages to say maybe if I know, or She knows, or everyone else knows about this message maybe one day we can help your brother and sister.

We have enough work to do in this world and you help nothing, and you want us even to help your brothers and sisters. I'd willingly help them, because I feel so much suffering when I read that. You know, when I read the extraterrestrial people suffer, I suffer too. But, I say why don't you do something, you know? This is not interference. If you come here, invade our earth or shoot other people or do something, then they would say interference, and then you swear you didn't interfere. That I understand, fine. But your brothers and sisters who suffer so much, for years and you do nothing about it. And you say you fear of the law of karma and non interference and all that. And your brothers and sisters suffering there, and then you talk big and you do this and that and protecting the earth and all that kind of...

I said it is bad enough that the world people, because of ignorance, they don't know it, therefore they harm your brothers and sisters. But you are the ones who know, you should do better, you shouldn't let your brother and sister suffer in the hands of the ignorant! Suppose the tiger takes hold of my brother. Okay, I don't kill the tiger because of my vow of non violence, fine, but I can make the tiger faint for two minutes and take my brother out... I can not sit there and reason to the tiger, look here the five precepts, look the vegetarian diet the Master Ching Hai tells everybody have keep etc... How can you reason with a tiger, you understand? The world people are very, very ignorant, therefore they do that kind of thing. Now, you already know they are ignorant and you reason with them, until when, and let your brothers and sisters suffer. I cannot believe it!

They are not the words of the Master l know. You are full of bullshit buddy...very devious as you have always been...very typical of a lower level 1st level being. Say hi to the H-man for me before you shut the door on your way out. Try fooling her followers and they will expose you every time, we know what's going on. Devious 1st level beings are no match anymore, we instinctively know their tricks....we can read `em like a bleedin' book. Gotta get up earlier in the morning matey.

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Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-06 04:04:44

The_Shooman wrote:
Sammy Ambrose wrote:
^ From what I can tell she loses her patience with these aliens sometimes.
The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
I have read one story about the aliens, extraterrestrials, the good ones, who have been mistakenly captured by some of the powerful nations; sometimes in America. And then they froze them. They did not kill them, just took their blood out and froze them. Because they wanted to extract some information for technical advancement, and these people don't speak. These aliens don't speak. So they froze them...

"I catch hold of any of you, I'll "beat" you, and scold you and make you kneel all day long until you go rescue your brothers." I am here, helpless because I don't have UFO, I don't have machine gun which can freeze people for one or two minutes, I can have nothing of this technique. Therefore I can not rescue your brothers.

And here you send a message saying that if we know, we may be able to rescue your brothers and sisters. Everything you could do it, because I say you have everything! You have UFO, you have gun, not shooting people dead but to freeze people in space for one or two minutes, then you can take your brothers out. Instead you let them suffer there and then you even send messages to say maybe if I know, or She knows, or everyone else knows about this message maybe one day we can help your brother and sister.

We have enough work to do in this world and you help nothing, and you want us even to help your brothers and sisters. I'd willingly help them, because I feel so much suffering when I read that. You know, when I read the extraterrestrial people suffer, I suffer too. But, I say why don't you do something, you know? This is not interference. If you come here, invade our earth or shoot other people or do something, then they would say interference, and then you swear you didn't interfere. That I understand, fine. But your brothers and sisters who suffer so much, for years and you do nothing about it. And you say you fear of the law of karma and non interference and all that. And your brothers and sisters suffering there, and then you talk big and you do this and that and protecting the earth and all that kind of...

I said it is bad enough that the world people, because of ignorance, they don't know it, therefore they harm your brothers and sisters. But you are the ones who know, you should do better, you shouldn't let your brother and sister suffer in the hands of the ignorant! Suppose the tiger takes hold of my brother. Okay, I don't kill the tiger because of my vow of non violence, fine, but I can make the tiger faint for two minutes and take my brother out... I can not sit there and reason to the tiger, look here the five precepts, look the vegetarian diet the Master Ching Hai tells everybody have keep etc... How can you reason with a tiger, you understand? The world people are very, very ignorant, therefore they do that kind of thing. Now, you already know they are ignorant and you reason with them, until when, and let your brothers and sisters suffer. I cannot believe it!
They are not the words of the Master l know. You are full of bullshit buddy. Say hi to the H-man for me before you shut the door on your way out.

You need to live and learn, buddy.

Spoken by the Supreme Master Ching Hai
to the worldwide contact persons
During the International Seven-Day Retreat in Taipei, Formosa May 23, 1994
(Originally in English)

But don't worry, old son. She also said everybody makes mistakes:

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
You make same mistakes but at least you have a Master, a teacher, a good friend like me, tell you. And then you realize immediately. But outside people, they don't have a teacher, they don't have a friend, they don't have a good Master maybe, to tell them what to do. So they make mistakes. Or sometimes, because their wisdom is not open, tell them, they don't understand. They don't want to hear, and they don't think they make mistakes.

Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-06 04:25:43

Some more tips from The Supreme Master Ching Hai

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
Export To Other Planets
It's terrible. Even the excess fruit could be decomposed and made into fertilizer again. Why throw it into the sea? For example, let it become an organic plant or an organic plantation with the natural fertilizer. Why should they throw it away?! Anyhow, it's all disorganized; every nation is self-interested. I wouldn't say all the nations, but many are like that. Each one jealously guards each other's so-called secret, which the whole world already knows, which all the Buddhas known. They think it's a secret. They guard all their secrets, but don't help each other that much. And the one who does help, the others try to exploit them, make fun of them, and try to give them pressure so that they cannot give any more; so they cannot help any more, or they may cause a lot of troubles. Our world is rich in everything. We could feed the whole, entire planet and export to the next thirty three more planets, to those who don't have earth to cultivate, or to those planets on which minerals have been destroyed, or to those whose atmosphere has been poisoned by "Star Wars", (Master laughs) something like that. We could export to them, give them fresh fruits and vegetables, and then import their UFOs instead. Yes. We could exchange. Import their excellent equipment, machines, and we could export to them our tofu, (laughter) red beans, rice, wheat, etc., and even cats, dogs and birds for them to look at. They don't have that many, on some of their planets. The atmosphere was destroyed, so they can hardly keep people there. They keep down the population, because they have to recycle their own atmosphere, oxygen and all kinds of things. So they cannot afford to keep pets. So we can even export our atmosphere; give each one of them one packet of oxygen from the earth with love. Yeah! We can do that.

A lecture by The Supreme Master Ching Hai
Group Meditation in Malaysia. Feb. 23, 1992

4F Hepcat · 2012-03-06 05:07:11

I am afraid to say this Ching Hai, has nothing on Sun Ra and William Burroughs who actually give you the means and tools to escape this mugwump and cop ridden planet.

Why does getting involved with these gurus inevitably require eschewing the scientific method and rational intelligence in favour of mystic mumbo-jumbo delivered at the IQ level of a Sun reader? Does everyone drink 'shroom tea at these retreats or what.

Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-06 05:32:43

4F Hepcat wrote:
I am afraid to say this Ching Hai, has nothing on Sun Ra and William Burroughs who actually give you the means and tools to escape this mugwump and cop ridden planet.

Why does getting involved with these gurus inevitably require eschewing the scientific method and rational intelligence in favour of mystic mumbo-jumbo delivered at the IQ level of a Sun reader? Does everyone drink 'shroom tea at these retreats or what.

Mumbo jumbo! Wash your mouth out with soap.

Anyway it's not all enlightenment you can also do a bit of shopping at The Supreme Master Ching Hai's Celestial store.
http://www.thecelestialshop.com/apparel.html

I'm going be in contact with some of the Northampton shoe makers to try and add some decent shoos to the range.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-06 06:13:43

4F Hepcat wrote:
I am afraid to say this Ching Hai, has nothing on Sun Ra and William Burroughs who actually give you the means and tools to escape this mugwump and cop ridden planet.

Why does getting involved with these gurus inevitably require eschewing the scientific method and rational intelligence in favour of mystic mumbo-jumbo delivered at the IQ level of a Sun reader? Does everyone drink 'shroom tea at these retreats or what.

Love your snark Hepcat...always so cute.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-07 00:07:50

Some interesting thoughts for today.....

Dreams are a reality. All dreams are, is living beings that look exactly like us connected to our soul living in parallel universes in one of the infinite realities. l could be wrong, l but can't see how it can be anything else.

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Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-07 02:21:37

The_Shooman wrote:
Some interesting thoughts for today.....

Dreams are a reality. All dreams are, is living beings that look exactly like us connected to our soul living in parallel universes in one of the infinite realities. l could be wrong, l but can't see how it can be anything else.

Well done mate. It's about time somebody put that Sigmund Fraud in his place.

Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-07 04:22:59

The_Shooman wrote:
Some interesting thoughts for today.....

Dreams are a reality. All dreams are, is living beings that look exactly like us connected to our soul living in parallel universes in one of the infinite realities. l could be wrong, l but can't see how it can be anything else.

Some more of The Supreme Master's wisdom. This time on why we shouldn't we eat eggs.

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
... egg is a symbol of life and death. In it contains life, yeah. And many of the black magicians or white magicians they use eggs to withdraw some of the negative possessive spirit within some people, yeah. Therefore, if we eat eggs too much we tend to attract this negative force toward ourselves. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why we should not eat eggs, hm.

You know, that little 'hm' at the end is so human, isn't it?

4F Hepcat · 2012-03-08 00:25:45

What he really means, is that a lot of these con artists who pose as spiritual gurus and white magicians, wiccans, etc, use eggs in their performance to extract the demons from the individual who is paying for their service; as if by magic, they crack the egg open and there's the bad demons they've literally sucked out of them by their spiritual intelligence alone - a deformed chicken embryo.

That's why you should not entertain these charlatons, I think that's what Master I Ching really meant. He had a lot of 'shroom tea that today and he was getting confused as to which level of character he was in Dungeons & Dragons game down at the retreat. Yeah, hmm, uh huh....I am ninth level paladin at the gates of hell, roll the twenty-side dice....

The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 00:39:12

4F Hepcat wrote:
I am afraid to say this Ching Hai, has nothing on Sun Ra and William Burroughs

You seem to know alot about Master Ching Hai. As if.... Lots of mouth, but no substance behind it.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 00:41:53

People who are all mouth shouldn't have opinions.

4F Hepcat · 2012-03-08 01:07:17

Such a beastly and violent image for one who is as one with the grass eating ninth level gurus of spiritual enlightenment and universal peace.

One only needs to read the writings and the lectures of these 'masters' to realise that there is no substance, no depth or spirit to their debased and shallow secondary school level musings posing as spiritual intelligence and enlightenment.

Both Sun Ra and William Burroughs IMO, are fine examples of artists who have roamed far into the spiritual dimension using art as the vehicle to take them there: Burroughs tried various techniques to write himself out of the human condition and Sun Ra used Ellingtonian swing and futurism to escape segregation and bigotry. These artists are not posing as spiritual gurus, and yet they bring more depth and illumination than any of these two bit punks ever will with their criminal activities sucking the life and money out of those individuals seeking a more innocent and easy road to enlightenment and spiritual peace. There is no peace, we are all raging to stay in the light.

The fact that you use a hanging man to attack me, speaks volume of the sea of rage and anger hiding behind this quest for grass eating and algae perfection.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 01:19:44

4F Hepcat wrote:
The fact that you use a hanging man to attack me, speaks volume of the sea of rage and anger hiding behind this quest for grass eating and algae perfection.

No no no...that is where you are wrong (yet again). Your posts are so rediculous and ignorant that l laugh at them. But as the master says...when someone crosses the line you must give them a brush over the knuckles. The difference between a normal person and a quan yin practitioner like myself is that there is no anger behind the rap over the knuckles, where-as with normal people there is always heavy emotion behind the action. The Quan Yin guys are cool cucumbers, nothing gets us emotionally involved...we take it all in our stride.

lt's the same thing that happened when one of her disciples was watching a video of her on t.v while he was supposed to be helping a group of people at one of her meetings. While he was watching her tucked away at home, she came out of the t.v and stood in his lounge-room and said in a stern voice, "you should be helping people like you promised, NOW GO!"

See, we can't act all meek and mild. We need to be stern when someone requires a kick up the bum, otherwise people will walk all over you. Detachment is the key...emotion is for lower level beings. l'm still low level, but l am getting good at the detachment thing and am almost expert at controlling my emotions now...very little gets to me. Lower level activity is all about role playing, and playing a role l shall do when dealing with silly rot.

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4F Hepcat · 2012-03-08 01:23:12

Miracles happen every day with Ching Hai, especially down at the bank:
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Admission to her public seminars is free, but she has made millions of dollars as a painter, author, fashion designer, and jewelry designer. She launched an expensive clothing line in New York and Paris in 1995. Her business activities have led some detractors to question her motives, and she has also been criticised because her disciples are reported to buy much of her artwork, which is seen as a de facto donation. One disciple is believed to have bought a pair of used sweat socks for US$800 because "when the Master leaves the physical world, at least I will have her socks".[7] In 1997, she stated that she earned more than former U.S. President Bill Clinton's annual salary of $200,000
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You can't get more materialistic than being an expensive fashion designer and jewellery maker.

4F Hepcat · 2012-03-08 01:35:16

And boasting about earning more than the president of the USA, that's not the quote of someone who has eschewed materialism for the spiritual path.

Of course, this could be all part of the tools of detachment to wrap us across the knuckles: detaching herself from spiritual ecstasy by embracing consumerism and wealth. Very clever and Siddharta like.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 01:46:39

4F Hepcat wrote:
Miracles happen every day with Ching Hai, especially down at the bank:
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Admission to her public seminars is free, but she has made millions of dollars as a painter, author, fashion designer, and jewelry designer. She launched an expensive clothing line in New York and Paris in 1995. Her business activities have led some detractors to question her motives, and she has also been criticised because her disciples are reported to buy much of her artwork, which is seen as a de facto donation. One disciple is believed to have bought a pair of used sweat socks for US$800 because "when the Master leaves the physical world, at least I will have her socks".[7] In 1997, she stated that she earned more than former U.S. President Bill Clinton's annual salary of $200,000
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You can't get more materialistic than being an expensive fashion designer and jewellery maker.

Criticisms come with the territory with those type of beings, the same happened with Jesus. No big deal.

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The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 01:49:44

4F Hepcat wrote:
And boasting about earning more than the president of the USA, that's not the quote of someone who has eschewed materialism for the spiritual path.

Who said she was boasting. That's grade 6 analysis. People who know her know she would have said that in a joking tone. Got to be careful how you read and interpret these things.

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The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 02:01:27

No more discussion from me about the master. lt was always bound to turn ugly, the dark forces always have the habit of hanging around and soiling the image of good people.

Sammy Ambrose · 2012-03-08 08:39:41

4F Hepcat wrote:
...You can't get more materialistic than being an expensive fashion designer and jewellery maker.

The Supreme Master Ching Hai wrote:
... [A]ctually I am a true communist. Because whatever I earn I share it all with people. Communist means you have everything not for yourself, but for the community, you see. You live in a community. Therefore, actually I don't talk communism, but the communists should give me the best medal for it, yeah, because I live what they preach. (Laughter.) I live in tent. I live simple life. I don't earn money for myself. All the money runs around the world for the sake of my disciples, for the enlightenment of others, and for the poor and needy. And even my clothes I design for myself so it's cheaper.

The_Shooman · 2012-03-08 16:00:35

Thanks Sammy, that sounds like my girl. She often does live in a tent too.

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