Well underrated IMHO and possibly my favourite Sinatra film. The plot is quite dark and has a cynical, downbeat feel to it. I think it warrants a look on here as it has some top class raincoat action amongst other things. Due to the buckles on Sinatra's black mac I'm guessing it's Alligator while his side kick's beige number with the 'ticket' pocket and the throat latch is looking London Fog. Alongside the fabulous Lee Remick and the ever reliable Jack Klugman and Ralph Meeker, the film also has two of that year's "Bullitt" co-stars Robert Duvall and Jacqueline Bisset.





























Staceyboy
Mia Farrow was signed to play the Jackie Bisset role but re-shoots and over-runs on Rosemary's Baby prevented her from doing the film. Sinatra's fury at her decision to snub 'his' film precipitated the break up of their marriage.
I agree that it's an interesting and in some ways underrated film. The cinematography and staging is very dated, maybe hampering some of the film's more interesting subtexts: closet homosexuality in public life, corruption in the wide scale redevelopment of entire swathes of Manhattan and so on. Despite its technical limitations the film dragged a good performance from Sinatra (maybe his last) and there is palpable tension in many of the scenes, particularly those where Frank shares the screen with Lee Remick.
A different director may have managed to create something far more lasting.
^ Agreed, NSB. The scenes with Sinatra and Remick as their relationship disintegrates are undoubtedly the most effective and the staging and 'feel' is a million miles away from the onset of the 'New' Hollywood.
I'm conscious of leaning on people's knowledge a good deal here, but I am grateful. I have another sort of question: so ticket pockets were usual on London Fog raincoats in the 60s? I don't remember seeing them on the pics of Fog coats I've seen.
I'm still amazed at how well a raincoat can fit. Not slim, but honestly, every one I've tried in vintage or charity shops must've been about 48", and long.
Hi Drink. Fire away with any questions - I’m more than happy to try to answer if I can but I’m certainly no expert! No, 'ticket' pockets on the old London Fog macs are far from usual but I have seen ads with them depicted. Never owned one myself. The button over 'throat latch' is a very common London Fog stylistic quirk - but was of course employed by other manufacturers too; 'Worsted Tex' coats for example. That the coat in that shot is a London Fog is only an educated guess. Though I must say the buttons look 'right' too.
Staceyboy
Staceyboy wrote:
The button over 'throat latch' is a very common London Fog stylistic quirk - but was of course employed by other manufacturers too
That's the bit that makes a London Fog particularly attractive to me. Lovely looking on those.
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I watched this movie a few nights back and I agree it's certainly cynical and dark-souled, but the "relationship" scenes between Sinatra and Remick are very adult, although neither characters are people I would want to know in real life. Sinatra's wardrobe was a great example of American understatement of the time.![]()
Patrick Sullivan's review: http://coiledpleasures.blogspot.ca/2012 … d-all.html
Natural Sole Brother wrote:
I agree that it's an interesting and in some ways underrated film. The cinematography and staging is very dated, maybe hampering some of the film's more interesting subtexts: closet homosexuality in public life, corruption in the wide scale redevelopment of entire swathes of Manhattan and so on. Despite its technical limitations the film dragged a good performance from Sinatra (maybe his last) and there is palpable tension in many of the scenes, particularly those where Frank shares the screen with Lee Remick.
A different director may have managed to create something far more lasting.
I finally managed to get a copy of this film, and watched it last night. To be honest, I'm mainly really only interested in the outfits, cars, interiors, etc when I watch a lot of these old films. So I'm never really disappointed by the poor storylines and acting. I thought the 'fags' performance who Sinatra interrogated was so bad, and OTT that it was comical.
I thought this film was ok, and as NSB said, the cinematography hasn't really aged well.
I didn't realise from the pictures above that the late great Sugar Ray Robinson was the hot headed new side kick.
Goldsmiths opening theme to the film was superb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&v=P6W2QahwQ5s
Off the back of this film, it's made me want to watch 'Lady in Cement' and 'Tony Rome', also directed by Gordon Douglas..
Anyone seen either of these?
Hey there ILG!
"Anyone seen either of these? Lady in Cement' and 'Tony Rome', also directed by Gordon Douglas.."
By all means these are really cool movies. I have 'em on dvd and have showed them in my home to my friends during diner parties and lazy Sunday evenings...
These films were made on location here in Miami Beach and they showcase art deco living in the sixties... they are also really well made and much modern in comparison to the Detective- Frank seems to be really having a good time and it shows on all the actors...
As for the clothesr, it's really cool sixties Tropical Ivy! I remember reading in that John Simmons article from 96, that Frank was wearing a G9, but that's not the case, he actually wears a cream blossom that is in-between a bomber and a G9... he looks good and relaxed as he goes from one dame to the next!
Lots of cool summery suits, canvas shoes, cardigans and of course that great hotel from Goldfinger (The Fountainbleu)
One of the all time favorites amongst those living here on the Beach... good stories, clothes and all around fun...
I think you can get them through Amazon...
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It's Simons. John Simons. I managed the first ten minutes of 'Lady In Cement' (after almost puking over the music), then it dawned on me just how much I hate Frank Sinatra. Cinema had become incredibly crass by the late 60s, don't you think? Actually, come to think of it, Sinatra had been making appalling, sexist dross during the early 60s as well. Boy, you Americans sometimes have some odd ideas on the nature of 'cool'.
It's Sinatra's voice, that immaculate phrasing delivered in that New Jersey/New York drawl that compels. You just need to listen to The Concert Sinatra to realise just how much of a master of breath, control and delivery he was.
The albums Come Fly With Me and Nice n Easy seem to me much more than concepts, they embody the arrival of middle-age of my grandfather's generation and by god they are going to have the best of times now that war and the Thirties are well and truly over. And I think that's what the Rat Pack was ultimately about and represented: middle aged perfection in the age of technological breakthrough and wealth.
You really think that's what The Clan was ultimately about? (I've always thought of the Rat Pack as something different, involving Bogart, Bacall, Judy Garland, David Niven et al.). I thought it was about getting away with being a fuckwit because, if anyone complained, you had them beaten to a pulp by one of your minions.
senorservo wrote:
Hey there ILG!
"Anyone seen either of these? Lady in Cement' and 'Tony Rome', also directed by Gordon Douglas.."
By all means these are really cool movies. I have 'em on dvd and have showed them in my home to my friends during diner parties and lazy Sunday evenings...
These films were made on location here in Miami Beach and they showcase art deco living in the sixties... they are also really well made and much modern in comparison to the Detective- Frank seems to be really having a good time and it shows on all the actors...
As for the clothesr, it's really cool sixties Tropical Ivy! I remember reading in that John Simmons article from 96, that Frank was wearing a G9, but that's not the case, he actually wears a cream blossom that is in-between a bomber and a G9... he looks good and relaxed as he goes from one dame to the next!
Lots of cool summery suits, canvas shoes, cardigans and of course that great hotel from Goldfinger (The Fountainbleu)
One of the all time favorites amongst those living here on the Beach... good stories, clothes and all around fun...
I think you can get them through Amazon...
I'm with you senor, pretty cool. I have another one you might like. "Murph The Surf". It's not a surfing movie although there is some surfing scenes in it.(actually done by the 2 stars Robert Conrad and Don Stroud) It's the true story of the theft of the Star Of India jewel from the Museum Of Natural History in NYC by Jack Murphy and Alan Kuhn in 1964. Alot of it takes place, by flashbacks, in the Gold Coast of South Fl. Fantastic chase scene in boats through the canals of Fort Lauderdale.
From what I remember not much as far as the clothes. Some cool early 60s surf wear but alot of polyester pants and white shoes.
4F Hepcat wrote:
It's Sinatra's voice, that immaculate phrasing delivered in that New Jersey/New York drawl that compels.
hepcat, people from NY or NJ don't speak with a drawl. That's the southern US.
Tricky Sam wrote:
It's Simons. John Simons.
You must forgive him for that egregious mistake. He's an American. And isn't it "Saint" John Simons.
The two are like Monaghan & Monroe the pair of homicide detectives in Ed McBain's novels.
I believe Monaghan and Monroe still dress like that in the novels though the rest of the world moved on. Then again the main participants never seemed to age over the decades.
steve mcqueen fan wrote:
4F Hepcat wrote:
It's Sinatra's voice, that immaculate phrasing delivered in that New Jersey/New York drawl that compels.
hepcat, people from NY or NJ don't speak with a drawl. That's the southern US.
You're right of course. What I should have said in that New York staccato/wise guy accent or someting more appropriate.
SteveMcQueenFan...
Thanks for the heads up: just saw "Murph The Surf" with a good surfer friend of mine up in Port Saint Lucie... really cool time-capsule! where do you live in FL? i can't surf anymore due to a back surgery I had 10 years ago caused by years of surfing/skating... I still swim on the beach every day though!
I really like the idea of "Beach Ivy" ...a really good book on it is Pop Surf Culture http://www.amazon.com/Pop-Surf-Culture- … pd_sim_b_5 It's a nice complement to the Grannis Tashen book...
Sorry about the typo Andy. As a journalist I should know better but alas, I'm only human. Thanks for the correction.
senorservo wrote:
SteveMcQueenFan...
Thanks for the heads up: just saw "Murph The Surf" with a good surfer friend of mine up in Port Saint Lucie... really cool time-capsule! where do you live in FL? i can't surf anymore due to a back surgery I had 10 years ago caused by years of surfing/skating... I still swim on the beach every day though!
I really like the idea of "Beach Ivy" ...a really good book on it is Pop Surf Culture http://www.amazon.com/Pop-Surf-Culture- … pd_sim_b_5 It's a nice complement to the Grannis Tashen book...
Hey senor, I'm just south of Daytona Beach and just north of New Smyrna Beach, "The shark bite capital of the world". I moved here about 4 years ago from NY. A few miles from the ocean. It's nice. I can get in the water from about April till Nov. here. It's not as hot as down by you and we get a little change in season in the winter which I like.
Thanks for the tip on the book, looks really good, I just ordered it.
If you're ever in the area we can have a Beach Ivy Meet over some Conch fritters. Have a great 4th!
steve mcqueen fan wrote:
I have another one you might like. "Murph The Surf". It's not a surfing movie although there is some surfing scenes in it.(actually done by the 2 stars Robert Conrad and Don Stroud) It's the true story of the theft of the Star Of India jewel from the Museum Of Natural History in NYC by Jack Murphy and Alan Kuhn in 1964.
Alot of it takes place, by flashbacks, in the Gold Coast of South Fl. Fantastic chase scene in boats through the canals of Fort Lauderdale.
From what I remember not much as far as the clothes. Some cool early 60s surf wear but alot of polyester pants and white shoes.
WOW!.. I thought I'd act on your tip, only to find out the price of Murph The Surf on Amazon..
$199 buckaroonies... or $179 second hand..
How come it's soooooo expensive?
Does it come with the Star of India jewel?
http://www.amazon.com/Murph-Surf-Robert … B0000E1WMA
senorservo wrote:
These films were made on location here in Miami Beach and they showcase art deco living in the sixties... they are also really well made and much modern in comparison to the Detective- Frank seems to be really having a good time and it shows on all the actors...
Lots of cool summery suits, canvas shoes, cardigans and of course that great hotel from Goldfinger (The Fountainbleu)
One of the all time favorites amongst those living here on the Beach... good stories, clothes and all around fun
One scene in Tony Rome where 'ol blue eyes' looks tip top is in the racetrack scene with the mind bogglingly beautiful Raquel Welch..
I really dig the sunglasses he's wearing. I wonder if they're Raybans?
Not a bad roll on the collars either...
