Last edited by One For Bop (2012-06-24 01:43:11)

The only time I don't do a thread search... typical..

Um, people can be what they want to be, but the problem with politics like with sports commentary it seems to deal more with emotion and ideas, than cold hard facts, and in that you have people subscribing to something without a base, watch his interview with Chomsky, you see he raises a lot of points to argue a case which aren't historically correct. That's fine when you trying to bring people round to your rhetoric if they don't know better. But he gets so ruffled when Chomsky picks apart his argument. A case of shouting the loudest. I don't think many people on the Left are different, right or left if you are intelligent, dealing with the facts trying to improve things for yourself and others, then you ok by me.

Last edited by One For Bop (2012-06-24 05:17:51)

^Aye, you will find most of us here are unrepentent antidisestablishmentarianists, luddites and agent provocateurs for MI5. A couple of humuculus thrown in for good measure, like tea, it should be a toxic mix, but actually works quite well. Most of the time.

I don't really want politics here at all to be honest. Have I been indulgent of Lefties in the past? If so then that's a personal fault on my behalf that I must crub in the interests of fairness. 

Do you dress on the right, SMF, ol' buddy, ol' pal ?

One For Bop wrote:

Um, people can be what they want to be, but the problem with politics like with sports commentary it seems to deal more with emotion and ideas, than cold hard facts, and in that you have people subscribing to something without a base, watch his interview with Chomsky, you see he raises a lot of points to argue a case which aren't historically correct. That's fine when you trying to bring people round to your rhetoric if they don't know better. But he gets so ruffled when Chomsky picks apart his argument. A case of shouting the loudest. I don't think many people on the Left are different, right or left if you are intelligent, dealing with the facts trying to improve things for yourself and others, then you ok by me.

^ Good post Bop.. It made me think of Frantz Fanon's, Black Skin, White Masks quote...

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.”


"Cognitive dissonance"..  I do like that.

IvyLeagueOfGentlemen wrote:

One For Bop wrote:

Um, people can be what they want to be, but the problem with politics like with sports commentary it seems to deal more with emotion and ideas, than cold hard facts, and in that you have people subscribing to something without a base, watch his interview with Chomsky, you see he raises a lot of points to argue a case which aren't historically correct. That's fine when you trying to bring people round to your rhetoric if they don't know better. But he gets so ruffled when Chomsky picks apart his argument. A case of shouting the loudest. I don't think many people on the Left are different, right or left if you are intelligent, dealing with the facts trying to improve things for yourself and others, then you ok by me.

^ Good post Bop.. It made me think of Frantz Fanon's, Black Skin, White Masks quote...

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.”


"Cognitive dissonance"..  I do like that.

Some people don't shout, rationalize, ignore or deny they just resort to name calling. In the past week I've seen "racist", "Homophobe", and "reactionary" among others.

Edit: And a couple of posts on the goodness of Marxism and the evils of Capitalism. All on a No Politics allowed, just clothes forum.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n_m3q7XYz4

It's a good thing that Jimmy always tries to steer things back to clothes...

But let me just get back to your point, George. I don't think that this forum has a left wing tendency.

If I can see a tendency at all, it would be a tendency to avoid political topics. I for one, only jump in when I feel that there is too much bollocks or simplifications... I'd prefer to talk about art, architecture, design, film, photography, literature, music, you name it, you got it....

To be honest, I dislike the world of politics. It's all about compromise, lobbyism, corruption. It's a vulgar world of mediocre people.

I'm not remotely interested in politics, for example, when I put pictures of Kennedy here.

And I'm extremely bored by the internet fights between the political camps.

Jimmy Frost Mellor wrote:

I wish people would fight with some real passion about clothes !

All the other crap just leaves me cold.

Anyone with half a brain knows that clothes are wonderful, but only because they operate as a metaphor for the much bigger things in life. As objects in their own right they are completely and utterly banal and dull.

E.U.R. wrote:

Jimmy Frost Mellor wrote:

I wish people would fight with some real passion about clothes !

All the other crap just leaves me cold.

Anyone with half a brain knows that clothes are wonderful, but only because they operate as a metaphor for the much bigger things in life. As objects in their own right they are completely and utterly banal and dull.

Ouch. You know I lack that other half of the brain required. 

I remain relaxed about not belonging here...

But I do get that they can mean multiple things though. To me they're just nice stuff.

E.U.R. wrote:

Yes but the reason you find them nice is because they connect with other associations - New York, modernism, your youth, friends, what Troy Guild and Sero and Haspel and all of them once were etc etc. They are not objects disassociated from your life's experiences.

I love you, but those aren't my associations. Mine aren't anywhere near as good.

My associations are actually things with no connection to my life in reality. Thay're indulgences & little treats I give myself.

Little freedoms in a Grey, Grey world.

Yes, I'll wear a tie... But you can't stop me wearing a knitted one.

Yes, I'll wear a suit... But you can't stop me wearing one styled with a built-in slouch.

Maybe only the poster 'Idlewilde' ever really understood me on here...

All that sloppiness of mine.

Very un-Mod. Very un-Trad. But still clothes obsessed.

I like the alien 'smart' of Ivy in England. A 'smart' that is sloppy by Traddy English standards.

Another paradox ?