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#276 2015-11-24 23:42:49

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Cool, could you post a link to it when it's up?

Cheers!

 

#277 2015-11-25 00:45:10

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Sure. My pleasure. Hey! It took me 12 pages to establish what the market is + find out where you-know-who was getting his shirts made. OK? They'll definitely, however:

Be individually - not computer - cut.
Have a unlined, hand-rolled collar
6-button placket, etc.

We'll even have a pull-over.

I'll know the pricing by Wed., the 25th (Pacific Time) and it'll go up on Styleforum on Dec. 1.

I'm going to TRY to do it for $125 (with the pull-over a couple of bucks extra).

We aim to please

Last edited by aucociscokid2 (2015-11-25 00:48:19)

 

#278 2015-11-25 05:07:55

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

When you say the excat same shirt Mr Mercer has made I take it you dont mean a Mercer's shirt?

 

#279 2015-11-25 08:59:35

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Mr. Mercer does not make the shirts himself. Its the same outfit that's making his.

 

#280 2015-11-25 08:59:43

Worried Man
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Who makes Mercer's shirts?


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#281 2015-11-25 12:16:00

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Here's the deal. Last time.

1. I need to weave 100 yds. per pattern.
2. I need to make shirts individually.
3. The shirts will be offered 1st on Styleforum, whatever fabric remains will be offered to any other merchants/manufacturers who want it.
4. I'm making shirts individually. Mercer is making shirts individually. How many manufacturers in the US can do that? Mercer is making my shirts. Mercer and I are using the same one. Who cares? I have first dips. You want a pattern, buy it on Styleforum, or take a chance on a retailer more to your liking will have it.
5. EVERYBODY involved gets it and is OK with it.

OK?

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#282 2015-11-25 12:20:21

Armchaired
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Re: Groundhog Madras

I think everyone on here has been really tolerant of your used car salesman approach to our forum.

Personally i wouldn't purchase anything from you or connected to you... i dont like your style.

Why dont you just answer the question Bud.....Who makes Mercer's shirts?


�Careful with that axe Eugene.�

 

#283 2015-11-25 12:28:31

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Who cares

....wins.

 

#284 2015-11-25 12:45:24

Worried Man
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Re: Groundhog Madras

I care, slightly, but just out of curiosity.  I'm very happy with each Mercer shirt I own and would gladly order more, regardless of whether David Mercer makes each painstakingly by hand in the comfort of his own shirt shed out behind his house, or they're outsourced to seamstresses.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#285 2015-11-25 13:50:47

Tomiskinky
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Maybe Jimmy's seamstresses (W.I.) are sewing like crazy behind the scenes!

aucociscokid2, stop getting wound up, your curt responses make you look shifty, I think it's fair what folks are asking. We all agree you have a great product and have put the time and effort in, it's the manufacturing of the finished item my fellow forum-ees want clarity on.

Saying Mercer are making but not making the shirt adds confusion, probably unintentionally - you should probably have just said they are being made by Mercer - but you have thrown another spanner in the works by eluding to something outside of the info the consumer has.

 

#286 2015-11-25 13:50:55

Chief Brody
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Brain hurty.

 

#287 2015-11-25 15:13:57

stanshall
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Re: Groundhog Madras


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#288 2015-11-25 16:06:53

Worried Man
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Re: Groundhog Madras

This is starting to remind me of the Duck Head debacle in some way.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#289 2015-11-25 16:26:42

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

A. These shirts haven't been available in 45+ years.
B. It's hard to get a new business off the ground, esp. one where the waters have been so muddied by competitors selling faux madras.
C. I'm not going to make a reference to Mercer on Styleforum listing. I'm just going to describe their construction in great detail.
D. You want to buy authentic "bleeding" madras, you're going to have to be bought from Loominous, whether it's a shirt made by us or another who uses our madras.
E. Demand is strong for our fabric.
F. Does Macy's tell Gimbel's?
E. Mine, too!

Last edited by aucociscokid2 (2015-11-25 16:51:03)

 

#290 2015-11-25 22:39:16

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Did you say you were a lawyer?

I think this maybe the problem, you make everything sound like an arguement for a case, which I think for a lot of potential customers including myself is quite off putting, maybe you think it's something people should put up with if people want the real deal. But by the very fact youre this naive towards the impression you make puts me off you achieving anything with the correct level of consideration, and the desperation to do just about anything speaks volumes too. Are you winning my trust? No. If it's this difficult just to buy it, god forbid what would happen if I were to try and return it. You see my point about what type of atmosphere you are creating round your brand. Its not a positive one, I wonder what type of person can be ignorant to such a basic part of their business...it's worrying.

I look forward to seeing what excatly it is you are offering on the 1st of Dec. but ultimately the only person it really matters to whther I buy an authentic handloomed bleeding madras shirt is you. I don't actually stand to loose anything by not. And you haven't yet made me feel like I wouldn't loose out by choosing to. Which if you hadn't realised is a massive part of your job about now. Confused, haphazard and contrary does not fill me with confidence in you or the shirt.

Whether the product is good or not, you are currently doing it a massive disservice.

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#291 2015-11-26 01:28:00

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Buy it from Mercer Shirts then for $195. Buy it on Styleforum from Loominous  for $125. Mercer is doing more of a BB shirt. Loominous is doing one based on Gant madras shirts. We based ours our Gant because it was the most prestigious of the OCBD brands of the '60s and made the most popular "bleeding" madras shirt. Both are Loominous madras.

 

#292 2015-11-26 01:51:32

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

 

#293 2015-11-26 03:36:42

Acton_Baby
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Re: Groundhog Madras


"I have about 100 pairs of pyjamas. I like to see people dressed comfortably."
Hugh Hefner

 

#294 2015-11-26 09:33:14

Yuca
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Re: Groundhog Madras


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#295 2015-11-26 14:54:30

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

1. Loominous has ALWAYS offered a shirt BASED on the Gant "bleeding" madras shirt of the 1960s.
2. Loominous is not offering historic recreations. (a) The "bleeding" madras in the 1960s was crap. (b) The shirts made from it was even crappier. We are attempting to offer and are what we consider to be a very high quality shirt even judged against ALL others on the market today, with a silhouette that is flattering to the wearer, judged by 2015 standards which respects what bleeding madras was, utilizing the best design elements from that period which would still be apropos for a worldwide, multi-generational market.
3. You believe what's in the newspapers? You've never been in the news business then. Most of what's in them copy generated by PR agents and usually involves the transfer of funds, hookers, drugs, or some other consideration.
4. Only old guys wore Arrow. Us kids DEMANDED Gant bleeding madras. I was there. My coterie of '60s friends have the same recollection (and I was on a Ivy campus). Ditto for those in the business who lived through the '60s.
5. (a) Charlie Davidson may not have bought Gant back-in-the-day, but he's buying Loominous Bleeding Madras shirts today. (b) I have no heroes. I grew up in the 1960s.

 

#296 2015-11-26 15:14:44

aucociscokid2
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Last edited by aucociscokid2 (2015-11-26 15:33:08)

 

#297 2015-11-26 15:39:15

Bop
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Re: Groundhog Madras

I don't think you're going to be hard pressed to find people on here that wont spend a lot of money on clothes. You might want to frame it that way as to why the fish aren't biting but it's quite obvious what the main reasons are from people not indulging in the ownership of one of your shirts, because you've still not clarified as to what they actually are. You said youd have a photo and swatch...still no sign of that..just some more borderline psychotic rambling

Last edited by Bop (2015-11-26 15:41:58)

 

#298 2015-11-26 15:57:09

Tommy
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Re: Groundhog Madras

 

#299 2015-11-26 16:07:49

Armchaired
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Re: Groundhog Madras


�Careful with that axe Eugene.�

 

#300 2015-11-26 17:05:27

Bradley
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Re: Groundhog Madras

Insulting those to whom you're trying to sell your wares - aggressively, to say the least - might be a sales move so awful that it's borderline genius.

While I personally have zero interest in your shirts, I would be remiss if I didn't say that you are the only troll in this entire situation. Suggesting that we show signs of "sadism" or "antisocial behavior" isn't gonna win you friends, and it further shows how you feel about those who don't immediately buy into - or actually buy - your propaganda. Your lack of tact, coupled with your insistence of typing out uber-ambiguous explanations full of inconsistencies and contradictions, is beyond me.

I truly don't mean to come off as rude, but you have been only that with how you've responded to honest questions from honest forum members regarding your product. I'm sure you'd agree with the fact that your shirts don't require 12 pages to elaborate on their provenance. If you had been totally straightforward all along and answered questions as they were asked instead of giving bullet pointed non-sequiturs, I'm sure many people here would be on your bandwagon.


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