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#1 2017-12-02 13:08:37

Beestonplace
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HALF Bengal what do you think

http://turnbullandasser.eu/shirt-whbl-p … le-cuff-15

I own this one, and I still have to come to terms with it.

 

#2 2017-12-02 13:50:29

Babbling Brooks
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Nasty....no half bengals


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#3 2017-12-02 14:02:52

Beestonplace
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

But why

 

#4 2017-12-02 15:11:12

Babbling Brooks
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Because the blue and white looks better distributed 50/50, the ratio is out, and it looks anaemic or weak, diluted. Like I said before you have a very good eye Beeston, you'd do well to learn the reason behind the intuition.

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#5 2017-12-03 00:58:01

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Ok, you deserve a full answer, here is why I suggest that is not pleasing to the eye, the ratio should be 5/3 in favour of the blue. That is to say for every five units of blue stripe there should be 3 of white. This is worked out by the ratios of the sides of a 5,4,3 sided pythagorian triangle,  and the relationship of the colours in a 3D quantized colour space. The white being a major third in distance from the blue tonic, on all three axis, giving 5/3.

Below is how I would distribute those two colours following the above approach. So their hue, saturation, luminosity and proportion are completely quantized, which I suggest is the mathematical logic your brain I wishing to see.


http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/uploads/thumbs/9985_sketch1512287345011.png

I've drawn it freehand btw but it's pretty spot on

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#6 2017-12-03 01:58:20

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

It looks a bit dull but better in the close up pictures of collar and cuff. I've never been drawn to buy this pattern of stripe but I'm sure it would look quite ok worn with a coat and tie which would break up the lack of impact. Plain blue suit and tie for instance with a large polka dot PS. Bang on for me Beeston. He who dares...


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#7 2017-12-03 02:08:27

woofboxer
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Seems fairly innocuous to me, its just a low key shirt. As GW says, the backdrop for colourful accessories.


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#8 2017-12-03 02:22:55

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

I am not sure about the 5/3 thing. "Proper" Bengal is soothing to the eye because of the 50/50 white/blue distribution. This one is somehow uneven, and it also makes me thing of a "businessman" (think Kramer when he had that fake job, trenchcoat, downing Aspirin; or someone with a whifebeater undershirt, moustache, no deodorant, visiting the 1987 Konica trade fair).

 

#9 2017-12-03 02:27:16

Goodyear welt
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

I'm more offended by the models chin, whats he been shaving with? A brick? Poor effort.


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#10 2017-12-03 02:58:58

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Beestonplace wrote:

I am not sure about the 5/3 thing. "Proper" Bengal is soothing to the eye because of the 50/50 white/blue distribution. This one is somehow uneven, and it also makes me thing of a "businessman" (think Kramer when he had that fake job, trenchcoat, downing Aspirin; or someone with a whifebeater undershirt, moustache, no deodorant, visiting the 1987 Konica trade fair).

That's fine with the navy because that works out as a ratio of 9/8, which is near enough 50/50 to most people's eyes, giving the classic Bengal Stripe, this classic menswear stuff is mathematical formula when weaving the fabric Beeston, I'm learning it at the moment.


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#11 2017-12-03 06:52:09

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

I'm doing the  walt disney affiliated online learning course Beeston. ..

https://youtu.be/4m_ROtUQ5Vk

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#12 2017-12-03 09:22:34

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

I agree with woof, I don't really see the problem... Really just a variation of the university stripe, yes?


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#13 2017-12-03 09:47:13

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

I agree with Babbling. I dont find this wider spaced striped shirt offensive but I prefer the 50/50 spacing between white and single colored stripes. And, it's not just artistic, i think culturally it's a little like choosing the cool pattern or color for any sort of item (from shirts to toy trucks) vs the one has to be heavily discounted.  I see the standard width of stripes on a two color Bengal striped shirt as one rare instance where conformity is elevated in terms of taste and presentation; essentially a tasteful workhorse item. For a workhorse shirt, I prefer more conformity, rather than less. Otherwise, it looks like you tried to buy your conformist shirt from the bargain bin.


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#14 2017-12-03 10:16:39

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Proper high quality bengals ARE "workhorses", and whats not to like, as they help you getting you through the perils of, well, work life. It should have a very conservative collar shape (read: T&A's "Classic" collar, not a cutaway), double cuffs, not breast pocket, no monograms etc. Not "slim fit" (to show off a middle-aged  office done's love handles and nipples) but also not "Jerry Seinfeld Pirate Shirt Fit" (which doesn't survive well under a suit jacket). Material and construction must be on a high standard, but robust enough to withdstand daily abuse and frequent laundering (so no TM Lewins and Italian hand-sewn ones). Overall impression must be that of a high-quality but inoffensive shirt (not dandyish, not beancounterish).

My Bengal Workhorses come from T&A, where I can buy them RTW and they fit nicely. H&K used to be good, too, but the cuff is somewhat tight.

 

#15 2017-12-03 13:45:08

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Beestonplace wrote:

Proper high quality bengals ARE "workhorses", and whats not to like, as they help you getting you through the perils of, well, work life. It should have a very conservative collar shape (read: T&A's "Classic" collar, not a cutaway), double cuffs, not breast pocket, no monograms etc. Not "slim fit" (to show off a middle-aged  office done's love handles and nipples) but also not "Jerry Seinfeld Pirate Shirt Fit" (which doesn't survive well under a suit jacket). Material and construction must be on a high standard, but robust enough to withdstand daily abuse and frequent laundering (so no TM Lewins and Italian hand-sewn ones). Overall impression must be that of a high-quality but inoffensive shirt (not dandyish, not beancounterish).

My Bengal Workhorses come from T&A, where I can buy them RTW and they fit nicely. H&K used to be good, too, but the cuff is somewhat tight.

I like the T&A collar, never been a fan of their shirt  construction. Great fabrics though.


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#16 2017-12-03 13:46:30

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

What is wrong with their construction?

 

#17 2017-12-03 14:14:50

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Beestonplace wrote:

What is wrong with their construction?

I don't know if there is anything wrong with the construction, I've just never been a fan of it. One example, which they may or may not still do, is a curiously tight button fastening that always hurt my fingers trying to button them.


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#18 2017-12-04 10:12:10

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

It is fine. A respectable stripe that will fit in anywhere.


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#19 2018-01-12 11:12:42

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

And to take any pejorative connotation out of "workhorse shirt" - I would guess that most inhabitants of clothing forums are occupied in some quite mundane desk-bound mid-level "job" at a company in an office building with a boss and emails and conference calls and the like.

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#20 2018-01-12 12:26:20

Jeff Reed
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

You make that sound rather shitty, Lewis.

 

#21 2018-01-12 12:30:42

Beestonplace
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

It IS shitty but thats what it is.

 

#22 2018-01-12 12:54:51

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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Beestonplace wrote:

I would guess that most inhabitants of clothing forums are occupied in some quite mundane desk-bound mid-level "job" at a company in an office building with a boss and emails and conference calls and the like.

Joke's on you, Beeston! I don't have a job!

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#23 2018-01-12 13:13:15

Beestonplace
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Re: HALF Bengal what do you think

Well then you are some sort of Oscar Wilde like idol for me ,

Berkeley_Breathes wrote:

Beestonplace wrote:

I would guess that most inhabitants of clothing forums are occupied in some quite mundane desk-bound mid-level "job" at a company in an office building with a boss and emails and conference calls and the like.

Joke's on you, Beeston! I don't have a job!

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