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#76 2013-08-20 07:03:52

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I think Yuca is mixing two separate concepts personally. Selective breeding is a wholly separate process than food engineering that is performed today. Those cows you are talking about are like that from genetic engineering and hormone therapy, which is bad stuff, not from selective breeding. Same with those grotesque chickens.


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#77 2013-08-20 07:06:31

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^exactly right.


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#78 2013-08-20 07:19:25

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Wait a minute here lads - I said that skunk is unnatural, it was Liam who then defined that as being due to whatever.  So I'm not mixing any concepts - Liam provided the details.

I just know the essential points, which remain incontrovertible.


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#79 2013-08-20 07:23:46

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But didn't you draw a link between it being unnatural and Cannabis Physcosis?


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#80 2013-08-20 07:30:14

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#81 2013-08-20 07:43:34

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#82 2013-08-20 07:48:04

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"Plup." Jimmy Frost Nachtman.

 

#83 2013-08-20 07:48:21

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#84 2013-08-20 07:54:25

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#85 2013-08-20 08:19:17

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Re: Legalize it

I didnt realise this place was a gaggle of Stoners.


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#86 2013-08-20 08:20:53

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#87 2013-08-20 08:27:28

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I did a year of Ecology then moved into more specialist studies to do with Habitat Dynamics,  Sustainable Forestry and Conservation.

I have a basic knowledge of Horticulture and Plant Biology. An even more basic knowledge of other fields of Biology and general interest in the natural world and natural succession and it's role in Habitat restoration (my job).

I did smoke but never every day. Maybe twice a week at most and I just drifted away from it. It never did a great deal for me.

That's my background in this discussion anyway.


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#88 2013-08-20 10:28:00

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#89 2013-08-20 10:41:27

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In a separate discussion I had with Mr Bop recently he mentioned selective breeding, the limiting of genetic diversity and the link there not only to desirable characteristics but also susceptibility to certain conditions or diseases.

This is selective breeding too.

If you really wanted to produce super dope that got you super duper high and potentially give you super duper psychosis this is the style of selective breeding you would use.

You would select one plant with particular potency pollinate with another plant (probably from the same seed source) of high potency and grow the seeds produced. You would then select the 2 highest potency individuals from the next generation and carry on that same process indefinitely.

What you would see from that is gradual rise in potency from one generation to the next until you get your super duper dope.

This is not what they did with Skunk.

They chose a plant known to be potent and one known to be fast growing and cross pollinated the two. The result was a fast growing and potent crop.

But it was not any more potent than its parent plant.

At that point the selective breeding of new Skunk plant with genetically identical new Skunk plant started and carried on from there.

This second phase is what makes Skunk increasingly potent but the creation of Skunk itself is not. The increase in potency could have been achieved without the creation of the hybrid Skunk plant.

These are all natural processes and fit in with evolutionary theory perfectly.




One more question.  What is the test to determine if a selectively bred individual is natural?


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#90 2013-08-20 11:45:06

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#91 2013-08-20 11:55:08

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Last edited by Yuca (2013-08-20 12:08:22)


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#92 2013-08-20 11:58:57

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#93 2013-08-20 12:07:08

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#94 2013-08-20 12:30:04

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Really? Im not so sure I think Dave has made a sweeping statement on something he doesn't know much about. I'm not accepting the car anology. Youd have to look at the actual data concerning use to gauge what the danger is. If any to yourself. Matter smashing into softer matter has a pretty well studied outcome.

 

#95 2013-08-20 12:35:53

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#96 2013-08-20 12:44:59

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Selective breeding has its own safety valve for when it becomes 'unnatural'.  When you crossbreed two individuals that are too closely related the negative traits are amplified along with the positive, eventually causing non viable offspring.  You can see this in purebred dogs, horses and certain families in South Carolina.  If two things can be cross bred to produce a healthy viable next generation, then nothing unnatural has taken place.

Genetic engineering is just this writ large.  Scientists can accomplish in a lab what would take hundred of generations in the greenhouse without the time consuming dead ends.

 

#97 2013-08-20 12:48:19

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^all absolutely bang on true and correct. Literally couldn't have said that better myself.


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#98 2013-08-20 12:53:49

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I have some hippie friends that are anti-GMO, but when you press then for details as to why, it basically boils down to "people make money off it".

They don't accept that the Evil Monsanto Corporation pretty much saved eggplant production in India with their horrible GMO seeds.  They'd rather tell me to watch a YouTube video for the "truth".  They don't seem to realize that legitimate scientific information is rarely disseminated via YouTube.  And don't get me started on "gluten allergies".

 

#99 2013-08-20 13:06:14

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Yeah, I have a few of those friends too.

Actual real Environmentalism and Conservation is constantly being undermined by people who really don't understand the subject properly.


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#100 2013-08-20 13:22:23

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