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#1 2007-06-12 22:19:14

suds-okeefe
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Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

I am watching Letterman and he looks good in a single breasted peak lapel suit with stripes on it. I noticed he has no buttonhole on the lapel. I had to look hard to make sure but yup, it's not there. Was that a slip up by the tailor and does anyone here like it? I have to admit I didn't even notice at first but that I think it looks cleaner.

 

#2 2007-06-13 07:26:08

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

Letterman's tailor, Nino Corvato, thinks that a lapel buttonhole on a SB peak lapel
breaks up the line of the jacket.

Most of my SB peak lapel Corvato jackets do have buttonholes. However, the most recent, a Zegna wool, silk & linen blend, does not have a lapel buttonhole. I'm still debating with myself if I want to add the buttonhole detail.

 

#3 2007-06-13 09:44:45

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

I have also asked Mr. Corvato to put buttonholes on my peak lapel jackets.

Although, just like Tinker, I am picking the newest one up, a chalk stripe, without it. Why? A. Because I am more comfortable with my tailor's design tastes and B. For an important reason that I half knew but recently gleaned some fascinating insight on which will be included in "The Enlish and Their City Suit, 3".

 

#4 2007-06-13 13:09:48

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

I await FNB’s essay eagerly; but, in the meantime, here are my thoughts.  I much prefer to use the French “boutonnier” when referring to the lapel buttonhole, in recognition of its principal remaining function to hold a flower (holding watch chains/fobs and, horrors, lapel pins being the others).  I have only one jacket the lapels of which are capable of being closed and buttoned and, since that jacket is lightweight and in no way weatherproof, the functioning buttonhole, though properly called by that name, is a design conceit rather than an intended utility.  Although I do insist that all of my suit and odd jackets have a “boutonnier” on the left lapel (don’t care whether it’s just left or both on DB), I recognize that, even at my advanced age, wearing a flower for occasions other than weddings, funerals, and black/white tie affairs may be the ultimate modern-day definition of foppishness.  Nonetheless, I want the option always to be available and I do indulge the occasional whim.  In fact, I have a small daytime celebration to attend next week and will certainly sport an appropriately Springy bloom.

 

#5 2007-06-13 13:28:36

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#6 2007-06-13 15:00:14

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

There is also the philosophy that a double-breasted jacket should have double lapel buttonholes.


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#7 2007-06-13 15:00:32

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#8 2007-06-13 15:06:51

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#9 2007-06-13 15:15:22

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#10 2007-06-18 07:36:20

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

I was looking at single breasted peak lapel suits in stores recently and I also picked up my corvato suit. I think I see what Mr. Corvato is talking about when he says the boutonniere is distracting and ruins the line of the peak lapel. Boutonnieres dont follow the peak lapel's tip but slant at a different angle, more outward. It is distracting and it does detract. I will try it out for a while. After all I wouldnt want to emulate the sort of unappreciative neurotic control freak who cannot enjoy clothing without measuring the distance from this or that. You know the sort, he digs up old rules of thumb from 50 years ago and asserts that an item fails to pass muster unless all the signatures from a dead era are present.

For now, I will enjoy the suit. I wonder if anyone will notice the missing boutonniere?

 

#11 2007-09-15 11:36:01

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

Does anyone here think that I should not interview for a mid level job in banking in my new dark grey striped peak lapel jacket? Or have they become acceptable? I am in New York. The stripe is weak and there is a buttonhole in the lapel.

 

#12 2007-09-22 13:11:25

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#13 2007-09-22 20:24:01

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#14 2007-09-23 00:57:56

Incroyable
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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

Isn't that rather uncharacteristic of an English firm?

I once read an anecdote about an apprentice tailor who had finally constructed a complete suit for himself and upon showing the head tailor, he remarked it was a nice suit but for one thing, the lack of a lapel buttonhole. He immediately told him to go add one.


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#15 2008-05-31 11:36:57

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Re: Peak lapels with no lapel buttonhole

Picked up a suit with peak lapel, no buttonhole and only one button front. I think the absence of a boutteniere begs the removal of the second vestigial button. We trend towards minimalism, my friends.

 

#16 2008-05-31 11:51:58

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#17 2008-05-31 12:11:18

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#18 2008-05-31 19:17:40

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#19 2008-05-31 20:35:43

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#20 2008-06-01 04:43:39

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#21 2008-06-01 07:00:31

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#22 2008-06-01 08:56:59

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#23 2008-06-01 10:04:32

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#24 2008-06-01 10:23:30

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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#25 2008-06-01 10:32:15

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