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#26 2014-05-31 08:15:41

Worried Man
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Haha.  Yeah, Miles lost it hard.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#27 2014-05-31 08:24:16

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

You can't really put your finger on or define cool.  Perhaps it doesn't stand up under scrutiny, nor as a commodity.  It's just there.  It's the aura, it's the feeling, it's the persona, it's amorphous, a charisma, a confidence.  I think often times, that which is the coolest will fly under the radar.  It doesn't have to be blatant.  I mean, when I hear the Cool School jazz, I do kind of feel like that's the sound of the idea of cool.  So, I guess I bought into that one.  smile

But in a modern context, when I look around me, cool is very dead.  Nothing is cool.  "Cool" is relegated to a flippant remark.

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"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#28 2014-05-31 09:41:24

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#29 2014-05-31 21:03:25

fxh
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Charlie Watts is cool - in the proper sense - Mick Jagger isn't. Ferry /Bowie is cool - Elton John / Rod Stewart  isnt. Closer to FNB home - David Reeves is cool - Gianni Cerutti of the vintage ties saga isn't.

 

#30 2014-05-31 23:53:38

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

You can define cool, but like a horse on the moon. Its removed from its natural enviroment and the horse is left looking stupid. It's floating about, the hay from its nose bag is getting all in its eyes. It can't move like it did.

Cool works when you're up against it. When the world is a tougher place and you are under extreme pressures and difficulties.

It's the eyeballing a slave gave the slave master.

It's the detachment from something that is trying to break you down. It's dealing with the pressure.

It's not like that in the West now. Even during the biggest economic downturn there is no massive threat. Everything is very safe, the wild has been conquered and now even gentrified.  We feed on digital umbilical cords of infomation. How can you stand there and look 'cool' as a metrosexual man? What's your fight? Starbucks running out of soya milk? We're kids in adults bodies still looking for instant satisfaction and hoping connseurism might just fulfill the outward project of our pysches. The graft is moving your vitamin D deficienct body away from the computer/laptop is tied to 24/7.

Cool does not live alongside comfort

Why do you think the kids from rich families for the last 10-15 years have tried to look like rappers?

Because struggle is cool.

But money should be elegant.

You've got poor people now hoping to be elegant (igents)and even the rich have got a taste for it again. (igents with family cash)

It's not cool spending 170 quid on a shirt from the garbstore. Or getting suits made. Or standing out in the street whilst a friend with an SLR puts a moody filter over your fashion editorial in post. It's pussy shit and we all know that.

Miles Davis is a good example. People say he was cool. But I would say he stood between cool and elegant. He was not poor, but there was the struggle between not being white in a white man's world. And not being poor or real enough for the world of jazz and junk. He fused the two. Cool and elegant.

He had to project both things

My word of advice is go with elegance over cool. Especially as you age.

 

#31 2014-06-01 00:19:32

fxh
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#32 2014-06-01 00:19:50

Bop
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Actually more importantly than that.  If the Matisse taught me one thing it's that you should find joy.

 

#33 2014-06-01 05:39:30

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#34 2014-06-01 05:42:37

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#35 2014-06-01 06:43:50

Dudley Clarke
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#36 2014-06-01 08:19:01

fxh
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

I'm cool. formby is a silly old fart.

 

#37 2014-06-01 08:56:22

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#38 2014-06-01 09:00:28

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Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#39 2014-06-01 09:13:14

fxh
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Bond was Brit cool. Perhaps still is. Steed?

 

#40 2014-06-01 09:16:43

fxh
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

I'm sure formby is cool.*

Dud I'm not so sure.

*in his own peculiar way. {Wink}

 

#41 2014-06-01 09:19:45

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Vibe-Rations in Spectra-Sonic-Sound

 

#42 2014-06-01 09:23:18

Dudley Clarke
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


I came up to see her sometimes.

 

#43 2014-06-01 09:27:48

Bop
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Crocodile Dundee

 

#44 2014-06-01 09:37:40

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#45 2014-06-01 09:53:00

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

I played music with a guy a few years back.  He was a bit older than me.  I think this guy may have actually been cool.  He was an undeniably brilliant musician, and he was utterly aloof.  He was tall and somewhat gangly, a little awkward, and handsome, but not overtly.  He usually wore dark levis and a white t-shirt.  His hair was always slightly tussled.  He was one of those people that was sort of nondescript in a way, and in no way exuberant.  Yet when he walked in a room he would just command it.  All the girls were drawn to him, and plenty of guys too, particularly musicians.  He had some crazy inexplicable sex appeal.  When he was performing brilliant ideas would just flow out of him.  He was usually on some other plain relative to those playing with him.  Sounds cliche to say this, but he just had some "thing", a magnetism, an attitude. But nothing he did was affected, or planned.  He wasn't trying to be something.  He didn't have rock star cockiness or any of that nonsense.  There was nothing ridiculous about the guy.  He was just a complete individual.  He could recognize a phony in a heartbeat and he'd only let a few people get really close.  The guy was genuinely cool, IMO.  Perhaps one of the few people I've come across like that.  His whole persona just worked.  If I had to make a really stupid comparison, I'd probably say he was like a modern-day white Jimi Hendrix.  But, the guy kind of flipped and dropped off the face of the earth.


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#46 2014-06-01 10:03:27

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

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#47 2014-06-01 10:06:17

fxh
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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Heppie, I only ever think of Bond as Moore.

But that's not the mainstream accepted wisdom. Glad there's another outsider like me. Cool?

 

#48 2014-06-01 10:09:39

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

Aye, we're too cool to be schooled!


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#49 2014-06-01 10:23:43

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"


"We close our sto' at a reasonable hour because we figure anybody who would want one of our suits has got time to stroll over here in the daytime." - VP of George Muse Clothing, Atlanta, 1955

 

#50 2014-06-01 10:26:22

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Re: On Cool. was "Looks"

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I came up to see her sometimes.

 

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