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#1 2018-01-30 07:55:43

mhalat
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Paul Stuart

I'm curious as to why Paul Stuart never really comes up in these parts. As I understand, largely from FNB, while not strictly Ivy, PS had an instrumental role in defining American dress from the 1950s on. I have no dogs in this fight, I've seen a couple of pairs of PS cufflinks online that have caught my attention, but never ordered their clothes, nor been to their shop when in NY. What's the consensus around here? Worth a look, or move on?

 

#2 2018-01-30 09:00:10

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Paul Stuart

Paul Stuart gets a mention around the Ivyweb, occasionally in the comments of Ivy Style and more often Ask Andy... I'm sure they've been mentioned here in the past...

I seem to recall PS shirts being good at one point, but I don't think they ever made much 3/2, strictly Ivy stuff as far as suits or jackets? I'd love to hear from members with more experience who can shed more light on this, thanks for bringing it up mhalat...

I know Bradley has a pretty bonkers PS suit on his Etsy shop at the moment...

https://www.etsy.com/listing/536999830/vintage-paul-stuart-herringbone-tweed?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=paul%20stuart%2040r&ref=sr_gallery-1-4


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#3 2018-01-30 09:21:18

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Re: Paul Stuart

From what I know, Paul Stuart was like a lot of men's stores in the mid-century; they had certain manufacturers (specifically Southwick in the case of PS during the 1960s) make their pieces in a certain style, which they would in turn sell under their own label. I've sold and seen a handful of Paul Stuart suits and jackets from the 50s and 60s that were in a sack cut and nothing was particularly different about what they sold.

I honestly wouldn't go as far as saying they helped define American menswear as they weren't historical trendsetters like Press and Brooks'. They were simply your typical north-eastern men's store that carried Ivy pieces - not that that's a bad thing at all.

Last edited by Bradley (2018-01-30 11:54:11)


http://www.etsy.com/shop/PlacidVintage

 

#4 2018-01-30 09:36:31

mhalat
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Re: Paul Stuart

 

#5 2018-01-30 09:45:49

Bradley
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Re: Paul Stuart

Last edited by Bradley (2018-01-30 23:13:54)


http://www.etsy.com/shop/PlacidVintage

 

#6 2018-01-30 09:53:17

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Paul Stuart


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#7 2018-01-30 10:12:25

Babbling Brooks
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Re: Paul Stuart

I think Brooks had an Italian bod in by 1959 who was designing/cutting with reference to Italian style, I cant remember which thread it was in. Maybe the thread with the japanese tailor who does the roped shoulders


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#8 2018-01-30 10:35:28

Uncle Ian
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Re: Paul Stuart

I went there once in the mid nineties, but didn't like the way I was tailed round the store by salesmen eying me suspiciously!

 

#9 2018-01-30 10:49:49

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Paul Stuart

"I walk over toward the bar and while waiting for Freddy to pour the drinks I hear some guy, I think it's this Greek William Theodocropopolis, from First Boston, who's wearing a sort of tacky wool jacket in a houndstooth check and an okay-looking shirt, but he also has on a super-looking cashmere tie from Paul Stuart that makes the suit look better than it deserves to"

"I run into Bradley Simpson from P & P outside F.A.O. Schwarz and he's wearing a glen-plaid worsted wool suit with notched lapels by Perry Ellis, a cotton broadcloth shirt by Gitman Brothers, a silk tie by Savoy, a chronograph with a crocodileskin band by Breil, a cotton raincoat by Paul Smith and a fur felt hat by Paul Stuart. After he says, 'Hey, Davis,' I inexplicably start listing the names of all eight reindeer"

"Scott is wearing a red and purple and black striped cashmere intarsia sweater from Paul Stuart, baggy Ralph Lauren corduroys and Cole-Haan leather moccasins"

"I'm wearing a Joseph Abboud suit, a tie by Paul Stuart, shoes by J. Crew, a vest by someone Italian and I'm kneeling on the floor beside a corpse"

"I go into the bedroom and take off what I was wearing today: a herringbone wool suit with pleated trousers by Girogio Correggiari, a cotton oxford shirt by Ralph Lauren, a knit tie from Paul Stuart and suede shoes from Cole-Haan"

"He's wearing a cream-colored wool dinner jacket, wool trousers, a cotton shirt, and a silk glen-plaid cummerbund, all from Hugo Boss, a bow tie from Saks and a pocket square from Paul Stuart"


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#10 2018-01-30 11:35:32

stanshall
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Re: Paul Stuart

Paul Stuart used to have great kind of whimsical summer belts on display just as you entered the shop, I used to pick up a few every summer, but I don't recall buying much there besides the belts and the occasional pair of socks and a pair of sterling knot cufflinks.

The merchandise was considerably more expensive than either Brooks or Press, was often made in Italy, appealed to a dandier customer, and the tailoring was more streamlined, darted, and pleated than the old stalwarts, but was not extreme.  When Paul Stuart did do Ivy, it tended to the jivy side although they carried buttondown collars too.

The shoe department there used to be very good and featured first-rate English shoes but as with the clothing they would always be consciously and noticeably more flash than the English shoes offered at Brooks.


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#11 2018-01-30 11:56:16

Bradley
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Re: Paul Stuart


http://www.etsy.com/shop/PlacidVintage

 

#12 2018-01-30 14:38:47

woofboxer
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Re: Paul Stuart

I’ve wandered in there once or twice but never stayed long. Their stuff seemed a bit bland a bit like an upmarket Jos A Banks.


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#13 2018-01-30 16:49:58

stanshall
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Re: Paul Stuart


"bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay"

 

#14 2018-01-31 12:54:19

Jeff Reed
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Re: Paul Stuart

My first job in New York was working for a man who swore by Paul Stuart. He was an Ivy leaguer, albeit Columbia---which is often, and more so in the past I'd think, an outlier in the league.

I suppose he could tell I wore a lot of Brooks and Press, or Brooks/Press-like things and asked me how much I thought his cashmere sweater cost. I think I said $150. "$350! This ain't Brooks Brothers, my boy!" Okay, then. Put me in my place that day. There's a funeral I look forward to.

 

#15 2018-01-31 14:38:08

mhalat
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Re: Paul Stuart

 

#16 2018-01-31 15:49:49

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Paul Stuart


"The only comment a gentleman’s outfit should generate is that he is properly dressed for the occasion" - Calvin Trillin

 

#17 2022-04-21 07:19:47

AFS
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Re: Paul Stuart

Just read that when Zoot Sims wife wanted to smarten him up (this would be in the late 60s, I'm guessing) she took him off to Brooks and Paul Stuart.  Apparently Zoot had been something of a scruffy dresser but his wife got him into tweed jackets, grey flannel slacks and loafers.  I wonder if the two stores were pretty close to one another.  Were they?  Are they?

 

#18 2022-04-21 07:33:21

AFS
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Re: Paul Stuart

They do offer some odd stuff.  Currently on Ebay (without benefit of photographs) there's a black shirt of theirs.  What would you wear with a black shirt?  Aside from the distasteful connotations associated with black shirts in England I just can't imagine it working.

 

#19 2022-04-21 07:56:32

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Re: Paul Stuart

Brooks was at 346 Madison and Paul Stuart next door at 350. JPress is just down the block on 44th and Vanderbilt next to the Yale Club.

 

#20 2022-04-21 08:30:31

AFS
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Re: Paul Stuart

Very occasionally, Paul Stuart shirts would turn up in 'vintage' shops here in England.  They seemed out of place, sitting amidst the spear point collar and acrylic junk at 'Wild' in Nottingham, where I never got the impression the original owners knew enough about what they were flogging.

 

#21 2022-04-21 09:55:08

woofboxer
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Re: Paul Stuart

The previous J Press store, their flagship, was a few doors up from Paul Stuart so all three were in the space of about 50 yards, also present were Allen Edmonds and Alden shops. Southwick and latterly Kamakura were further up the street. One could have spent ‘really obscene’ amounts of money in that Bermuda Triangle of the credit card balance. Most of them are gone now.


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#22 2022-04-25 06:48:09

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Re: Paul Stuart

Paul Stuart is still there.

Alden is still there.

Allen Edmonds is still there,

JPress is there...again.

 

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