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#26 2019-03-01 17:47:26

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?


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#27 2019-03-02 01:52:41

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?


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#28 2019-03-02 02:04:10

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#29 2019-03-02 05:24:33

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Well we can gripe about prices of all cotton, made in USA / Italy / UK items from classic or quality manufacturers but unfortunately the prices are what they are, unless anyone has further to add? I'm sure John Simons are going to do some more again and think they were around £250.

On a vintage tip, Burberry's seem a good option but can be hard to find beige or other light colours without stains.

 

#30 2019-03-02 07:09:23

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Van Heusen used to do licensed Baracuta G9 copies that were I think identical except for being a poly/cotton mix. I don't think they go for much vintage. For those unable or unwilling to splash out big bucks then worth searching for.

250 pounds is a hell of a lot of money for a windbreaker but still at least if it's all cotton and there is nothing cheaper of a similar standard then to me it makes a lot more sense than paying a bit less for polyester. I bought my G9s years ago and both look great. They don't get that much wear simply because they only work in certain weather - a bit of a chill and/or a bit of rain and they work well. If it gets seriously cold or wet then they don't work as they're not waterproof and not very warm.


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#31 2019-03-02 08:55:47

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

There are now on eBay new Grenfell cloth harringtons in a few sizes in a dark tan at £169. Presumably they are made by the company newly reorganized a decade or so ago called Grenfell, which was then in East London.

I had a variegated heavy olive whipcord balmacaan made by that Grenfell that I got at the now defunct H. Herzfeld in NYC that I now regret selling, though they were always a bit too roomy. But the quality was superb, minus things like handsewn button holes and that sort of thing. I put horn buttons on it as the originals were kind of ugly.

The quality on the grenfell harrington looks good in the photos, although the cloth looks different from the "Grenfell cloth" Bramble Harrington that I got at J. Simons years ago--lighter than an actual Baracuta g9 and comfortable. The Grenfell now on eBay has a distinct twill pattern, whereas the Bramble didn't, and was almost a stone color.


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#32 2019-03-02 09:04:31

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#33 2019-03-02 12:54:06

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#34 2019-03-02 12:56:37

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

The community clothing ^ one doesn't look bad at all either and apparently is UK made for a low price without the lining. The sleeves are weird and I can't see the cloth but it may well be nice.


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#35 2019-03-02 12:58:27

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#36 2019-03-02 12:59:59

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#37 2019-03-02 13:00:37

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^Yeah it just matters whether a given person cares whether it is like the original or not and to what extent and in what ways.


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#38 2019-03-02 16:13:48

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#39 2019-03-15 10:47:25

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Hi all, my Grenfell jacket in beige arrived today:
https://grenfell.com/collections/contemporary-casual-jackets/products/the-harrington-grenfell-cloth-in-beige

It's the standard fit which is straight in style and not baggy.  It has plenty of room to expand though if needed. I wouldn't call it slim in the modern sense of how clothes are made.

The jacket is exactly what I hoped for, very good fabric and manufacture, excellent style and looks like it will last.
It has 100% cotton construction, with the outer Grenfell cloth being waterproof.

For similar jackets now, I'll keep with Grenfell and perhaps try some other colours over time. My wife and son liked it with my wife commenting on the fabric being like a raincoat. It is but it is softer to touch.

The beige colour is darker than stone as you would expect and therefore versitile in what it can be paired with.  The inner collar, cuffs and lower ribbing/stretch are all in a darker, softer material which I have not seen before and avoids this looking too much like it is described for a youthful subculture look. The inner pattern too isn't a tartan as can be seen at the webpage. This makes it easier to pair up I think.

In theory the jacket is higher price than others and I waited for a while, but this seems great quality jacket that I know has been 100% made in UK.

Hope that helps anyone wavering as I was. It's a jacket to invest in that seems like it will last a life time.

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#40 2019-03-15 12:36:50

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Thanks for the writeup - I'm tempted by them but Navy now sold out (and the cost is a little toppy for me). Will need to see what John Simons come up with, but they will be around £250 and never been massively impressed with their own brand stuff in terms of quality.

 

#41 2019-03-15 12:39:05

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Good report thanks Unscene, that jacket will give you years of use.


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#42 2019-03-15 12:41:05

An Unseen Scene
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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Navy in peach cotton still available but I take the point. I waited a long time to decide finally on the Grenfell.

 

#43 2019-03-15 12:43:42

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#44 2019-03-15 14:23:53

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

Private White VC worth a look; https://www.privatewhitevc.com/products/ventile-harrington?variant=25694756143168

 

#45 2019-03-15 20:26:10

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#46 2019-03-16 06:21:25

An Unseen Scene
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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

The Private White version is a modern update without the ribbed waist or cuffs.  I did take a look at it along with others.  It looks good in quality but is even more in price for an item that isn't a true harrington in style. Interesting that they say it has ventile cloth as that is now owned and manufactured in Switzerland by Stotz & Co I believe.

I suppose that part of what we are buying into is the heritage, brand and continuity.  Since its reestablishment in UK, Grenfell seem to be trying to do a lot right and I wanted to support that with a jacket that has the heritage we seek in Ivy style.   Nice as the Private White one looks, for the money it didn't have that.

 

#47 2019-03-16 07:37:09

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

I don’t claim to be an expert but I thought Baracutas were always poly-cotton mix? The poly probably makes them less absorbent and thus showerproof rather than 100 percent cotton. Nowadays they could treat the cotton with Teflon or some other dodgy chemical which might increase water resistance but does this stay on after a wash?

Dunno how well received an obviously Mod brand would be by the Ivy lads but I have a couple of Fred Perry Harringtons one from eBay one from End, made in England, 100percent cotton, very decent quality and a lot less than Baracuta prices. I’ll probably sell my Baracuta as I hardly wear it and it fits a bit small.


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#48 2019-03-16 07:55:39

An Unseen Scene
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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

The original cloth at Baracuta preceded the invention of poyester, so was cotton and had a high thread count similar to the Grenfell still is today which has 600 threads per inch to make it waterproof naturally.  Similar to the original cloth by Burberry and Aquascutum for WWI trench coats and mountaineering. Polyester was not discovered/invented until the 1940s and it was really well into the 50's before such as Dacron made it into mainstream clothing, so it could not of been in the original jackets which originated from golf jackets in the 1930s.   However I'm not anti-polyester for the sake of it, the Orvis harrington looks good, is a decent price and is a mix too.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with Fred Perry as a heritage brand to me, their made in England is welcome.  I find they fit really slim though generally. I like some of their knitted polos which seem to be disappearing from them.  Their Made In England harrington is £200 and when I viewed it in store it was a bit thin and is now a cotton/poly mix https://www.fredperry.com/men/reissues/reissues-made-in-england-harrington-j1170-795.html .  Fred Perry do have issues in USA now  in the connotations of its adoption, which is best left out of this forum.

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#49 2019-03-16 08:30:21

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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

I have a Baracuta G4 which I bought around about 2006, it was made in England and I believe that, at that time, all their jackets were. It is 100% cotton outer and the lining is a poly mix.


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#50 2019-03-16 09:07:37

An Unseen Scene
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Re: Baracuta alternatives?

I've added a load to the meagre page at Wikipedia on the Harrington today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrington_jacket

Let me know anything else to refine or add - or feel free to edit directly..

Thanks
Mark

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